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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Aircraft Modeling => Topic started by: draken35 on August 17, 2014, 01:20:52 PM

Title: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 17, 2014, 01:20:52 PM: I'm starting a new build, that will be a funny one:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183001.jpg)

Why funny? Because that kit is far from excellence. I will have lot of work to obtain something valuable out of that basic stuff - But it's a nice challenge!

First step: sanding!
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183002.jpg)
The parts of the kit are ruguous. Sanding is not a luxe; it's really necessity. As you can see on the photo, the first wing (above) is the original one; the second wing is the result obtained after sanding, first with 600 then with 1000 sanding paper...
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on August 17, 2014, 01:38:54 PM: Maybe this drawings could be of some help. Did anybody know what's happen with prototype of this fighter? Long time ago I hear that Soviet capture it, completed and tested but not sure is this really happen.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on August 17, 2014, 03:14:44 PM: I seem to remember that also, No.1. My recollection is that this little airplane was the "father" or basis of the design that eventually led to the MiG-15. I can't recall if the Soviets actually flew the Ta-183 or simply studied it in depth.

Draken, I've worked on some kits like this and they are fun? :-eek :-help We'll enjoy your resurrection of this plastic!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on August 17, 2014, 03:17:43 PM: Story of captivity is strange, as I know plat is over run by British troops? Anyway it have great influence in post war jet fighters design.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 17, 2014, 05:09:49 PM: AFAIK, the Huckebein falled into Soviet hands and is really the "direct ancestor" of MiG-15.

F-86 Sabre was the son of Messesrschmit P1101...

Anyway, I'm really thinking about that build as a fun one because I wish to see what I can really do with a more than basic kit...
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Nico Braas on August 17, 2014, 05:15:19 PM: This plane was more or less realized after the war by Kurt Tank in Argentina as the Pulqui II.
The Pulqui II was much closer in resemblence of the original Ta-183 design than other types like the MiG-15.
Post war publications even mentioned a 'MiG-19' that looked very strongly like the Ta 1-83 but this was in fact 'designed' by Russian Aviation Experts in the West!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on August 17, 2014, 05:16:36 PM: La-15 look more like Ta 183, then MiG-15, just my opinion.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 17, 2014, 08:35:16 PM: Air intake is ameliorated, with the help of an empty ink cartridge and an old jerk
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183003.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183004.jpg)

Hole is made in the half fuselage, to introduce that element
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183005.jpg)

Hope there will be no problem with the cockpit floor... To be verified in the next few days!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on August 17, 2014, 08:55:55 PM: Good idea for intake :)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 17, 2014, 10:01:02 PM: Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Akinator98 on August 21, 2014, 05:59:48 PM: Really interesting new project! :-ok
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 21, 2014, 08:45:36 PM: Thank you Akinator!

Well, sanding of all the parts is still in progress, after no less than 4 sessions and the use of Mr Surfacer 500 to correct some defaults... In the meantime I considered my air intake and was not totally satisfied because there were some problems of fitting with the cockpit floor - And detailing was not good enough for my mad brain!

So: I recuperated a second empty ink cartridge and dismounted the jerk
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183006.jpg)

I made a hole in the rear of the cartridge
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183007.jpg)

...And positioned what remains of the jerk into the hole
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183008.jpg)

What happens:
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183009.jpg)

But I have not glued my new part yet; before that I will paint it and before painting: DETAILING :-tri :-tri :-tri
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183010.jpg)

As I have said, kit is far from excellence. I give me the challenge to obtain a very good result when finished ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 31, 2014, 12:25:17 PM: Some progress on that kit...

To the left, the original part of the kit and to the right: the scratchbuilded one
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183011.jpg)

Another modification, with PE parts from my spare box (PE for Horten Go 229)
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183012.jpg)

The original seat end the one made with PE
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183013.jpg)

Some evergreen
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183014.jpg)

Resin carrots are sometimes useful: I will make lateral consoles with that
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183015.jpg)

The result, with on the drawing the original parts
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183016.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183017.jpg)

And finally, miliput to mask wings holes, that are visible from the cockpit
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183018.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on August 31, 2014, 12:48:42 PM: You really did great update on subject!!!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 31, 2014, 02:41:20 PM: Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on August 31, 2014, 03:17:36 PM: Wonderful!

The original seat would have required a rather thin pilot, wouldn't it?!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on August 31, 2014, 04:07:50 PM: Quote from: Second Air Force on August 31, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
Wonderful!

The original seat would have required a rather thin pilot, wouldn't it?!

...An anorexic one I would say...
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on August 31, 2014, 04:12:38 PM: :)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on September 07, 2014, 05:20:18 PM: Painting of the parts but also study of the kit. Careful study will be useful to avoid some "traps" with that kit...

RLM for interior of the cockpit
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183019.jpg)

The exhaust
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183020.jpg)

Canopy is masked + RLM02
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183021.jpg)

Wheels, wheel legs and doors
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183022.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183023.jpg)

Seat and seatbelts
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183024.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183025.jpg)

Instrument panel is recuperated from an old photoetch set and adapted. It will be placed on a support made with Evergreen (kit contained no instrument panel)
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183026.jpg)
The little ring in copper wire is simple the antenna that will be placed later on the aircraft

Le manche à balai
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183027.jpg)

The lateral consoles
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183028.jpg)

And finally the air intake, modified and that asked for lot of work to avoid problems with cockpit floor but also with the floor of the front wheel emplacement
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183029.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on September 07, 2014, 06:11:12 PM: I like details, very nice work!!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on September 07, 2014, 06:53:30 PM: Thank you my friend! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Jicehem on September 12, 2014, 11:27:48 AM: Quote from: draken35 on August 17, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
F-86 Sabre was the son of Messesrschmit P1101...

Hello everybody,

When I wrote the extra issue of Aéro-Journal "Luft '46" I discovered that the direct "son" of the P-1101 is the... Saab J-29. Officially, F-86 was improved thanks to German studies on the swept wing, but I think this assertion is not totally true, because studies on the swept wing begun before the war. I think that it's the fact that german tested the swept wing which made the Americans applying the concept.
During my search for this extra issue, I discovered too, that the Ta 183 had been completed (I wonder) or the Russians had built a prototype based on the Ta 183 and flew it. I found no confirmation that the Germans begun the building of a prototype of the Ta 183 that, as known, was not the definitive project...
The MiG 15 has nothing to do with the Ta 183.

Jicehem :-wave
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on September 12, 2014, 01:00:08 PM: As always, your info are real treasure :-clap Thank you Jicehem :-ok
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on September 12, 2014, 05:52:15 PM: Yes, thanks for that information, Jicehem. The SAAB certainly looks the part of "little brother" and your research is great to have, as usual!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Jicehem on September 12, 2014, 06:26:58 PM: Quote from: Second Air Force on September 12, 2014, 05:52:15 PM
Yes, thanks for that information, Jicehem. The SAAB certainly looks the part of "little brother" and your research is great to have, as usual!

Hi Second Air Force,
I discoverd also drawings of the Me P. 1101 with legends entirely translated into French, I think of the time of Germany collapse, accompanying German files from Messerschmitt which where all given to Saab...
The German technology for the projected Me P. 1112 was applied on the Lockheed P/F-80 Shooting Star early series in connexion with the exhaustion of the boundary air layer which consisted of a fan just in front of the jet engine.

Jicehem :-wave
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on September 13, 2014, 06:31:18 PM: Thanks for those infos, Jicehem!

Gloss varnish then oil wash then matt varnish then pastels. Followed by:

cockpit is inserted in the fuselage with an instrument pael. Then half fuselkage are assembled together and wings glued in place.
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183030.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183031.jpg)
As you can see, lot of putty is needed...

Evergreen for the front wheel trap
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183032.jpg)

The new air intake and exhaust
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183033.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183034.jpg)

The wheels
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183036.jpg)

And the new seat, from far better than the original one!!!
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183037.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Jicehem on September 13, 2014, 06:44:30 PM: Hi,

Good work on an amazing plane. I've one to build and so, I follow your step by step work.

Jicehem :-wave
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on September 13, 2014, 06:56:16 PM: Very nice shape!!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on September 13, 2014, 07:11:27 PM: Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Akinator98 on September 29, 2014, 12:37:03 AM: Very nice mate! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 05, 2014, 04:25:10 PM: Thank you!

Sanding (two sessions) and rescribing of some panels
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183038.jpg)

Then Rub 'n Buff is used to obtain a good metal effect
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183039.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183040.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on October 05, 2014, 04:31:47 PM: Excellent!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 05, 2014, 05:10:26 PM: Thank you Scott! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Jicehem on October 05, 2014, 05:29:54 PM: Hi,

Nice work for a good rendering.

Jicehem :-wave
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 05, 2014, 06:26:38 PM: Thank you!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 11, 2014, 11:25:47 AM: First layout of primer revealed some defaults where putty was applied.
This time I've used Mr Surfacer 500.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on October 12, 2014, 04:25:39 PM: Exquisite!

Incidentally, I stumbled onto a photo of an early Ryan Firebee drone, and it looks for all the world like a slightly smaller version of the Ta-183 with a conventional horizontal tail location. I wonder if the Ryan designers were somehow inspired by this advanced machine?
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2014, 05:46:15 PM: Interresting info Scott, thank you!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 12, 2014, 07:18:21 PM: Sanding done.
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183042.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 19, 2014, 08:02:22 PM: New primer layout; all is OK now
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183043.jpg)

And a little bit of scribing to represent the position lights
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183044.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 19, 2014, 08:07:04 PM: I think about some easy way to replace this solid plastic with real transparent plastic... ?
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 19, 2014, 08:15:37 PM: Quote from: No.1 on October 19, 2014, 08:07:04 PM
I think about some easy way to replace this solid plastic with real transparent plastic... ?

Sure it's a possibility.
But I wish to try another method: alu then transparent green and red
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 19, 2014, 10:10:07 PM: I also mean on this, transparent but what? What is most suitable material?
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on October 19, 2014, 11:52:34 PM: Tamiya makes nice transparent red and blue. The blue looks pretty close to the green of most lenses and I've been using this for some time now.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 20, 2014, 05:29:15 AM: Do you have link to product?
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on October 20, 2014, 06:04:36 AM: Quote from: No.1 on October 20, 2014, 05:29:15 AM
Do you have link to product?
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=81027
http://www.tamiyausa.com/items/paints-finishes-60/acrylic-paint-23ml-59000/acrylic-x-23-clear-blue-81023
http://www.tamiyausa.com/items/paints-finishes-60/acrylic-paint-23ml-59000/acrylic-x-25-clear-green-81025

Just from my experience, I've been using the blue for right side lenses as it is closer to how a real "green" lens looks with no lightbulb turned on inside.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 20, 2014, 06:42:26 AM: Aha, I understand now. I am actually looking for solution to replace part is colored plastic with identical shaped but transparent. I have some ideas but have to see how to manage it...
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 21, 2014, 07:56:05 PM: Little progress
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta1830415.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183047.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 22, 2014, 08:09:53 PM: Canopy is placed
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183048.jpg)

Fitting is very poor (very bad to be honnest).
I have used of some little parts of Evergreen and then putty
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183049.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 22, 2014, 08:15:15 PM: At least it is almost near to painting ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM: Sure! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Akinator98 on October 24, 2014, 04:20:50 PM: Nice progress! :-ok :-ok
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 25, 2014, 12:11:16 PM: Thank you!

Putty is sanded now
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183050.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 25, 2014, 12:15:58 PM: Very smooth look, it will take paint perfectly!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 25, 2014, 05:53:25 PM: Quote from: No.1 on October 25, 2014, 12:15:58 PM
Very smooth look, it will take paint perfectly!

Just a little default revealed by the RLm that I've airbrusehd this afternoon. I will correct it with miliput I think.
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 26, 2014, 11:43:00 AM: As previously said: use of miliput + placement of the antenna
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183051.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183052.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on October 30, 2014, 08:11:48 PM: All is OK now...
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183053.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on October 30, 2014, 08:17:26 PM: Good :)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 01, 2014, 12:47:31 PM: Thank you!

Rescribing of the panel just in front of the canopy; then Duck Egg Green airbrushed
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183054.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183055.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 02, 2014, 11:47:53 AM: Duck egg green masked; then Sky Grey airbrushed on the undersurfaces
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183056.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 02, 2014, 08:18:05 PM: Masking of the undersurfaces, then dark grey
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183057.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 05, 2014, 06:45:42 PM: Dark green airbrushed and then masks removed
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183058.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183059.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183060.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183061.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183062.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183063.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on November 05, 2014, 07:07:33 PM: It look good with this RAF style scheme :)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 05, 2014, 09:08:52 PM: Thank you ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 06, 2014, 07:48:45 PM: Very light weathering done; and for the position lights I used Rub'n Buff as a base for red and green colors to come
(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183064.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183065.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183066.jpg)

(http://users.skynet.be/bk320910/ta183067.jpg)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on November 06, 2014, 07:56:49 PM: Nice metal spots ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 06, 2014, 09:29:43 PM: Thank you!

But it's just a beginning; after the weathering result will be slightly different.

In fact, I don't like the ctual result but it's always like that at that point of the building of a kit. Best result will come later... ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 09, 2014, 02:30:55 PM: Well...

First, I have painted the lights then I have airbrushed Pébéo gloss varnish.

Then the decals :)

Love the result :-love :-love :-love

Photos taken first without then with flash
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on November 09, 2014, 03:02:59 PM: Result is great :-ok
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 09, 2014, 03:41:53 PM: Thank you! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 12, 2014, 04:06:40 PM: I have removed the masks from the metallic parts to make the oil wash; then I have placed new masks
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 12, 2014, 04:07:12 PM: Pébéo matt varnish was airbrushed and the masks définitively removed. Minor corrections made on the Rub n Buff. I like that product!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 12, 2014, 04:08:04 PM: ...And finaly, use of pastels (LOVE THAT!!!) and final assembly. Here is my Ta183 finished:
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: No.1 on November 12, 2014, 05:10:34 PM: Result is gorgeous :-ok :-razz :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 12, 2014, 07:13:55 PM: Thank you my friend ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Second Air Force on November 12, 2014, 11:55:42 PM: Yes, this is simply beautiful!!
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 13, 2014, 11:34:26 AM: Thank you Scott! :)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: Jicehem on November 16, 2014, 11:52:28 AM: Hi,

Amazing result. Congratulations.

Jicehem :-wave
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 17, 2014, 06:17:29 PM: Thank you mate! ;)
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: modellius on November 17, 2014, 08:40:33 PM: amazing work !
Title: Re: What-if: Focke-Wulf Ta183 Huckebein
Post by: draken35 on November 18, 2014, 08:32:47 PM: Thank you Modellius! :)