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Title: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: samuraj77 on February 22, 2010, 02:24:05 PM
On the outbreak of war the French authorities refused his application for service, so he travelled to Los Angeles to become a commercial pilot, studying at the California Institute of Technology. Clostermann joined the Free French Air Force in Britain in March 1942.
After training at RAF Cranwell and 61 OTU, Clostermann, a Sergeant Pilot, was posted in January 1943 to No. 341 Squadron RAF (known to the Free French as Groupe de Chasse n° 3/2 "Alsace"), flying the Supermarine Spitfire.
Spitfires 1943-44

He scored his first two victories on 27 July 1943, destroying two Focke-Wulf Fw 190s over France.

In October 1943, Clostermann was commissioned and assigned to No. 602 Squadron RAF, remaining with the unit for the next ten months. He flew a variety of missions including fighter sweeps, bomber escorts, high-altitude interdiction over the Royal Navy's Scapa Flow base, and strafing or dive-bombing attacks on V-1 launch sites on the French coast. Clostermann served through D-Day and was one of the first Free French pilots to land on French soil, at temporary airstrip B-11, near Longues-sur-Mer, Normandy on 18 June 1944, touching French soil for the first time in more than four years. Clostermann was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross shortly afterwards, after which he was reassigned to French Air Force Headquarters.
Tempests 1945

In December 1944, Clostermann returned to the front line, on secondment to the RAF as a supernumerary Flight Lieutenant. Clostermann joined No. 274 Squadron RAF flying the new Hawker Tempest Mk V. In an aircraft which he dubbed Le Grand Charles, Clostermann flew an intensive and highly successful round of fighter sweeps, airfield attacks, "rat scramble" interceptions of Messerschmitt 262 jet fighters, and rail interdiction missions over northern Germany over the next two months.

In March 1945, Clostermann briefly served with No. 56 Squadron before a transfer to No. 3 Squadron. On 24 March 1945, he was wounded in the leg by German flak and after belly-landing his badly damaged aircraft, he was hospitalized for one week. From April 8, he was commander of A Flight, No. 3 Squadron RAF. Clostermann was awarded a Bar to his DFC for his successful tour of duty. He had to bail out for the first time on 12 May 1945, when during a victory fly-past, a Tempest collided with his aircraft. Clostermann continued operations with No. 122 Wing RAF until he left the military altogether on 27 July 1945.

In his 432 sorties, Clostermann was credited officially with 23 victories (19 solo, 14 shared, most of them against fighters) and five "probables", with eight more "damaged". He also claimed 225 motor vehicles destroyed, 72 locomotives, five tanks and two E-Boats (fast torpedo boats). Many references credit him with 29 to 33 victories, although these probably include his "ground" kills. Recent, more detailed analysis of his combat reports and squadron accounts indicate that his true score was 11 destroyed, with possibly another seven, for a total of 15-18 victories.

source  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Clostermann

Nice topic on LLL http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/borbene-letelice-combat-warplanes/pierre-clostermann-at-algerie-1956/
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: samuraj77 on February 22, 2010, 02:30:21 PM
I will participate with Academy kit in 1/72 scale....

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest1.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest1.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest2.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest2.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest3.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest3.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest4.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest4.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest5.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest5.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest6.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest6.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest7.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest7.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest8.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest8.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest9.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest9.jpg)

I started with some preshading

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest10.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest10.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest11.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest11.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest12.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest12.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest13.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest13.jpg)

Painted the inner color humbrol 78

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest14.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest14.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest15.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest15.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest16.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest16.jpg)

I added some weathering

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest19.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest19.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest20.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest20.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest21.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest21.jpg)

and then it was time for assembling

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest22.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest22.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest23.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest23.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest24.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest24.jpg)

Anyone feel free to join the build  :-flo
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 22, 2010, 02:58:03 PM
Excellent! I hope that I could get any Beaver kit and to make conversion into the machine he flew in Algeria ;)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 26, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
Great! :-jump Let me join with the Smer 1/72 kit with Revell decals. This is a present of our dear tenk, on of modeling gurus of mine :) :-obey
Kit is bought just as it looks, no box etc, (its a special story and, maybe, tenk and Samuraj77 too, can add a little bit of it here if they want).

Here we go:
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 26, 2010, 10:30:00 AM
Sorry that I already took off some parts from a frames (I forgot to photograph them before). Also there are two color schemes one of which is to be Closterman's "Le Grand Charles" with a "D day" strips, but it is uncertain and probable wrong - the airplane number is wrong, so I need to find proper color scheme for "Le Grand Charles". It is interesting that Revell made decals for this non existing "D day" scheme. Anyway, there is still long way to painting.

Here is the rest of the kit. :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 26, 2010, 10:35:44 AM
Is this first plastic kit group build on forum? I know that we have group illustrations challenges...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 26, 2010, 10:24:26 PM
As long as I am a member; I think this is a first... but I am not so shure :) :( :-think

Here is some more steps from me (on the last photo arrow on the right shows irregularity - future rasping job :)))
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 26, 2010, 10:32:36 PM
And beginning of work on seat - it seems that some detailing mania has took me; "great modeling spirit" put spell on me! :-help :))
 :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 26, 2010, 11:01:29 PM
Of course, I am not able to avoid mistakes, so I first painted interior in something that should be RAF interior, but I saw that it is not OK, then I put all in black (and that black is so bad, old, wrong), and... blah, blah, blah... still, improvised belts went pretty good ;)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 26, 2010, 11:49:25 PM
further: the seat, first hand of proper RAF interior green color...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 26, 2010, 11:55:33 PM
 :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 12:04:42 AM
Thanks chief :-flo
Now, connecting seat, floor and steering pole; painting an instrument panel...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 12:13:47 AM
than, detail madness on the sides of the cockpit...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 12:51:29 AM
well, this is starboard side...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on February 27, 2010, 12:57:33 AM
Hi mates, Hi Samuraj77,  :-salut

Great project ! bravo !

Tempest V, RAF serial NV 724 is post-war. Pierre Clostermann's last Tempest during the war seems to have been SN 222.
PHC joined RAF 274 Sqn on 2nd march 1945, went to 56 Sqn on 17 March 1945 and finally 3 sqn on 8 April 1845 and left on 27 august 1945.
The different Tempest V that PHC flew, were : EJ 781, JJ-x ; NV 722, JJ-x ; EJ 893, JJ-W ; NV 942, JJ-x ; NV 722, JJ-x ; NV 971, JJ-x ; EJ 706, JJ-x ; NV 660, JJ-x (274 Sqn), EJ 708, US-W ; NV 728, US-X ; NV 927, US-Z ; NV 965, US-S ; EJ 804, US-M ; NV 970, US-O ; NV 987, US-R ; NV 667, US-A ; SN 131, US-P ; EJ 536, US-W ; NV 968, US-G ; NV 974, US-K  (56 Sqn), NV 994, JF-E, SN 222, JF-x and post-war NV 724, JF-E.
Something else : GC Alsace was RAF 341 Squadron. It became officially GC 3/2 in November 1945.

Cheers,

Jicehem   :-wave :-wave :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2010, 01:12:41 AM
Excellent info! There would be rally great if any additional images of his airplanes could be found :)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 01:25:44 AM
Yes! Thanks for info, Jicehem :-flo :-flo :-flo; so I'll been working that post war variant. ;)

I continue with the port side of cockpit details (of course this is not in scale, it's just to practice my fingers and micro movements :))
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 01:44:18 AM
ruff sketches I made from some photos I found on net; continuing of painting...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 02:16:58 AM
and further on...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on February 27, 2010, 08:03:31 AM
Sorry that I already took off some parts from a frames (I forgot to photograph them before). Also there are two color schemes one of which is to be Closterman's "Le Grand Charles" with a "D day" strips, but it is uncertain and probable wrong - the airplane number is wrong, so I need to find proper color scheme for "Le Grand Charles". It is interesting that Revell made decals for this non existing "D day" scheme. Anyway, there is still long way to painting.

Here is the rest of the kit. :-wave
one of which is to be Closterman's "Le Grand Charles" with a "D day" strips, but it is uncertain and probable wrong - the airplane number is wrong, so I need to find proper color scheme for "Le Grand Charles". It is interesting that Revell made decals for this non existing "D day" scheme. Anyway, there is still long way to painting.

Here is the rest of the kit. :-wave
Sorry that I already took off some parts from a frames (I forgot to photograph them before). Also there are two color schemes one of which is to be Closterman's "Le Grand Charles" with a "D day" strips, but it is uncertain and probable wrong - the airplane number is wrong, so I need to find proper color scheme for "Le Grand Charles". It is interesting that Revell made decals for this non existing "D day" scheme. Anyway, there is still long way to painting.

Here is the rest of the kit. :-wave

Hi Letipapa,   :-salut

 :-ok You're totally right. This JF-E by Revell is NOT "Le Grand Charles". On D-Day, PHC flew still a Spitfire IX (such as the most famous MH526, LO-D) of 602 Sqn. The RAF serial of Revell's should be in the JN series. This plane didn't took part in Normandy landings (as no Tempest V at all). At the time, and since May 1944, 3 Sqn (with new code "JF" in place of "QO") was at Newchurch. From this airfield it made defensive patrols against V1 flying bombs (in company with 91 Sqn on Spitfire XIV). The peak of the attack tooking place in August 1944 (I think...)

Cheers,

Jicehem   :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on February 27, 2010, 08:04:51 AM
Hi Samuraj,

Great job !   :-obey :-obey :-obey

Jicehem
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
Jicehem, thanks for information  :-flo

and, here is more cockpit, and than gluing of the two halves and wings. :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2010, 11:06:35 AM
Detailing is really well done!
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 11:11:45 AM
Thanks No1 :-flo :-flo :-flo

...and, because there is a big gap on the right wing root I tried to band right wing a little (the gap was not glued yet) and put some super glue and Na bicarbonate in it...

P.S: see how almost nothing of cockpit details is not visible :-smey, still I like I did it - I know it is inside. :))
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on February 27, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
Hi mates,  :-salut :-salut

Very amazing job !   :-obey :-obey
Some details for your Tempests :

Fairings between undersurfaces and auxiliary taks are transparent :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/img_0076.jpg)

NV 994 during production (And Hawker's strike during the summer of 1944 at Langley) :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/img_0077.jpg)

tempest was the only single-seat fighter dispensed with the incline gunsight reflector glass, the gunsight ring projected directly on the windscreen to which the very highest quality of non-distorting armoured glass was used.
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/img_0078.jpg)

Cheers,

Jicehem  :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on February 27, 2010, 11:22:54 AM
Thanks No1 :-flo :-flo :-flo

...and, because there is a big gap on the right wing root I tried to band right wing a little (the gap was not glued yet) and put some super glue and Na bicarbonate in it...

P.S: see how almost nothing of cockpit details is not visible :-smey, still I like I did it - I know it is inside. :))

Bad surprise ! The Smer model is former Heller's. I built some and never had this bad surprise... Maybe the molds are now a little too old.
Generally, I don't fill the gap but I widen the fuselage with struts made from plastic.

Cheers,

Jicehem
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2010, 11:23:28 AM
Transparent fairing!!! I did not note this detail before, this is very good to know ;)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 10:11:27 PM

Generally, I don't fill the gap but I widen the fuselage with struts made from plastic.

The most clever I mast say. It did not came on my mind - well on next such a case, I will try that;
thanks Jicehem. :-flo

No.1, those transparent fairings - for me it is quite unbelievable! :-eek

Here are more photo's of this slight banding and filling of the right wing and then (I tell you, some
magic spirit put bad spell on me :-wch :)), I saw what a bloody idiot am I - completely forgot to put
radiator and the other two elements that are going into lower nose (air intake) area. Horror!
Unbelievable! :-eek :-red :-red :-help :-dal

My sweet Lord! :-eek But, I could not surrender so easily and "quick field operation" was done in a meter
of minutes. Luckily, only one panel line on each side was cut - that is the worst harm that is made.
The cut will be fixed with putty and careful sanding (I hope).

Huh, life of the modeler is full of action! :)) Especially such modelers as your crazy mate is. :-smey

Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on February 27, 2010, 10:35:04 PM
Clostermann airplane:

Trainers planes:

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/25/10/56618665bucker-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/25/10/40479986caltec-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/08/20376984devant-un-miles-jpg.jpg)

Spitfire:

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/09/44147978orcade-1-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/09/47800202orcade-2-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/48154274juillet-1944-jpg.jpg)

Tempest:

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/92749263mars-1945-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/93066475jfe3-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/42405109jfe2-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/87359671jfe5-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/3233755jfe4-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/17956204jfe-jpg.jpg)

(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2008/11/26/10/12216265jfe6-jpg.jpg)

Source:

http://ww2aces.e-monsite.com/rubrique,pierre-clostermann,68182.html
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on February 27, 2010, 11:59:05 PM
 :-jump :-love :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Profa on March 01, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
Great work, Letipapa! :-ok
It seems that this detailing madness got you really hard :-think, and you're right - the most important thing is that YOU KNOW its' inside, no matter is it visible or not :-jump
For forgotten parts - don't worry, it happens from time to time to everybody, just have to slow down the rush to get the model assemblied as quick as possible ;)

Carry on, soldier, it's fine work you did so far :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on March 01, 2010, 10:17:30 AM
Hi mates, Hi Letipapa,  :-salut

The manner you assembled the forgotten parts is perhaps better than on the original kit... Assembling is far better !  :-ok

Cheers,

Jicehem  :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on March 01, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
Thanks mates  :-flo :-flo :-flo your support is precious. :-obey :)

Now, I had a mess of different obligations these days, so I'll continue little bit after, but I expect our dear tank and Samuraj77 will post some of their progress here (although, who knows how many different models they are doing right know :)))

 :-wave
Title: Better pictures
Post by: Jicehem on March 04, 2010, 09:56:30 PM
Hi mates,  :-salut

Here are better photos of NV 994 :

This photo was taken by Charles Brown along the Dortmund-Ems Kanal, near the little city of Riesenbeck, on 18 April 1945 :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/tempes15.jpg)

A close up of the Tempest V flown by Pierre H. Clostermann :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/tempes17.jpg)

Second photo :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/tempes16.jpg)

A close up of the Tempest V :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/tempes18.jpg)

An extreme close up doesn't permit to read the serial, but it's possible there is a digit 2 in it :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/tempes14.jpg)

Riesenbeck to-day :
(http://i67.servimg.com/u/f67/10/07/63/16/riesen11.jpg)

Cheers,   :-wave

Jicehem
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on March 04, 2010, 09:59:45 PM
Amazing! So goood and inoperative... combat digital art ;)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: samuraj77 on March 04, 2010, 10:12:52 PM
Amazing photos mate...
Thanks
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on March 15, 2010, 01:38:17 PM
Some little progress from my side (BTW, last night, I posted this completely wrong on "Mystere IV A" theme, so if somebody sow that, I apologize. No.1 sow it :), and now I corrected this; was so tired so my concentration slipped away).

OK, what I did is that I sprayed model with layer of Al silver to see all wrong things, and there was a lot.
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on March 15, 2010, 01:55:43 PM
And here are results of  first putting and sanding. Some lines have to be cut in anew, and still some putting and sanding is necessary. :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on March 15, 2010, 02:24:14 PM
You are right- Mystere does not look like Tempest, Tempest is better look like Tempest :))
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on March 15, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
 :-salut :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on March 26, 2010, 10:42:00 AM
I decided to put more putty (this time I'm going to check use of ordinary car putty), and I made special light tool for that (phot.1-5)
 First I worked on wing and fuselage joints which I surrounded with protective paper tape due to not destroy paneling when sanding (phot.6-8)
As I used more putty than I needed, I saved the hardened rest for future - it is good fore some explosion debris. I already have lot of such material (phot.9-11).
 :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on April 02, 2010, 02:21:46 PM
And more sanding, and then I cut off the air door on the rear underside of the air intake. I'll make new one in opened position. ;) :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on April 02, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
You really work hard on this subject :-clap
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on April 05, 2010, 03:53:32 PM
I give my best! :) :-flo

I did some panel re scribing, and I had problem with parts of putty falling off in the areas of wing roots, I did whole upper wing surface panels, so now I can have little more putty (in this wing root area) to correct what is necessary, and than, again putty and again sanding but this time without fear. ;) :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on April 05, 2010, 04:05:28 PM
First time ever to re scribe panels?
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on April 05, 2010, 04:26:04 PM
First time with "Tamiya" scriber, I bought recently, and second time in my life (first time I did it with a simple needle), and it was unpleasant to do it now when hull and wings are assambled. There are mistakes and I'll gently fill them with a putty. Next time I hope do panell scribing first.
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on April 14, 2010, 08:24:07 PM
And also first time I use "Mr Surfacer 1200". Our dear Samuraj77 was telling me, more than enough times, what it actually is, but my mind always full of very much different things than modeling didn't worked well, so until I used it, I didn't know what it was. Now I know, and this was cold shower for me. Every bloody mistake of mine (and there were a lot) of inscribing panels was there, clear and shouting. Especially connection of wings and fuselage. Alarm, disaster, achtung, hilfe, help, alert, etc! - how messy I was. This was a lesson, I tell you. :-eek
OK, now, thanks to Samuraj77 I got another thing that could help me now - "Mr Surfacer 500" (liquid putty) with which I hope to precisely correct these mistakes. Than sanding again, and than... Hard task in front of me, but I go on. When I look how many times our dear Second Air Force is doing this process ( making the surface perfect), than I am not confused, only that I am looking to avoid much inscribing now. ;) We shall see :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on April 14, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
So you get new moment in your modeling life- before and after surfacer :)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: samuraj77 on May 04, 2010, 01:18:48 AM
Nice work Letipapa mate  :-flo

Here is more photos of my tempest...

I finally decided to make NV994 Tempest, don't have the serials so I am going to draw them on the kit... :-think
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 04, 2010, 01:22:39 PM
Excellent! :-tri :-ok :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
what is it you masked with that "artist masker" (or what the name is)?  :-think:-think :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: samuraj77 on May 04, 2010, 03:06:45 PM
Thanks mate, you can see glosssy surface on the same photo where I photographed Artistic media - same thing as Humbrol Mascol, but cheaper and even maybe better  ;)
I used it to mask underwing surfaces and horisontal tail
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 07, 2010, 08:12:07 AM
Aha! Very unusual pattern of masked surface, is that to be just different color (allready sprayed), or it is just a variation (lighter, or darker, or faded, or...) :-think :-think :-think; i still don't get it, but it's OK, it will be a surprise. ;) :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on May 07, 2010, 09:43:28 AM
Very good progress and model look very fine!!
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 10, 2010, 05:52:04 PM
Satisfied not still is me! Stuck in putty mud am I! :-razz
 :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on May 10, 2010, 06:28:37 PM
At least you spot some of the very small details on surface ;)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 12, 2010, 11:44:49 AM
Yes, and they are not so small, better to say they are terrible :-green :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 12, 2010, 01:49:22 PM
Well, I need a little help of my friends. It is about that little door under the air intake - it is circled red on photo's 1-4. This door have levers (or just one lever) that are (is) opening it and keeping in position (good seen on photo 5, big red arrow).

So, are there two such levers on the sides or is it one in the middle? I simply can not see and know for sure.

Also, on photo's 6 and 7 (restoration of a Tempest) something is seen left inside (red arrows) the intake undergoing restoration - could this be that door with a lever :-think :-think :-think
If this is the case than obviously there where two such levers on the sides.

Anybody knows about this, or have some photo or drawing??? :-think
I am to make this door on model and question of levers is important for me to proceed with works.  :))
Thanks in advance, Letipapa :-flo:-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: tenk on May 13, 2010, 10:27:19 PM
go,go papanik! :-clap
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 14, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
Yes Master! :) :-wave

And, I finally found what I was looking for: there is only one bar that is lowering aft radiator shaft hatch, but there are two strings too (maybe for pulling it up). That's it, so I can proceed with work. :-jump
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 16, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
Again, me, it is! :-smey
Caught some time and did Tamya putty ones more, than drilled holes for guns made from medical needle. Although inner pair of gun's tubes are not visible, I suppose they actually are if you look from the front. This is not necessary at all, but for me in a modeling stadium in which I am now - this is one of "bear necessities, la, la, laaa, bear necessities...! :-smey"
Next what follows is final scribing (where necessary) and then the previously studied hatch build with some details. :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on May 17, 2010, 11:56:18 AM
OK, the hatch: Samuraj77 even gave me a piece of metal for this ( :-flo), but my silly eye saw that the hatch has a variable profile (thinning to the end, photo 1), so I used plastic and cooper wire (photo 2). Afte gluing (phot 3), I cut off the rest on the belly side (photo 4 & 5). Next, after completing the surface of whole model, is montage of the hatch, and than the start of camouflage painting. :) :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on May 17, 2010, 12:00:22 PM
Good :)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: samuraj77 on June 06, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
Here is my Tempest finished :)

Finally I decided to make a warbird sample that Jicehem providedd photos
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/makete-aviona-aircraft-modeling/the-war-of-pierre-clostermann-any-model-flown-by-clostermann/msg13465/#msg13465

(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest37.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest37.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest38.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest38.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest39.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest39.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest40.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest40.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest41.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest41.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest42.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest42.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest44.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest44.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest45.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest45.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest46.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest46.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest47.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest47.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest48.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest48.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest49.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest49.jpg)
(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest50.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest50.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest51.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest51.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest52.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest52.jpg)(http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/th_Tempest53.jpg) (http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/recenzije/Projekti/Closterman/Tempest%20by%20Samurai/Tempest53.jpg)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: tenk on June 06, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
my favorite one! :-love exelend work :-clap
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on June 06, 2010, 09:38:53 PM
Nice ;)
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 09, 2010, 12:57:38 AM
Woooouuh! Amazing, extraordinary! :-eek :-obey :-obey :-obey  :-clap :-clap :-clap
This makes my modeling spirit high! :) Thank you :-flo :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Jicehem on June 09, 2010, 07:35:04 AM
Hi Samuraj,  :-salut

Splendid ! Very beautiful work on a very beautiful plane.  :-love
The only one detail I think to be retouched are the yellow tips of the propeller blades. They were actually 6 in. (about 2 mm in 1/72)
But this build is amazing.

Cheers,

Jicehem :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: mfg495 on June 11, 2010, 08:53:30 PM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 13, 2010, 05:07:56 PM
Heh, It's me again - experimenting: somehow I succeed to glue this shaft. :) ;)
Hope it will not fall off easyly  :(:-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 24, 2010, 11:59:53 PM
Sprayed in medium sea gray...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 25, 2010, 12:06:29 AM
Than underside (and lower side parts of the hull) protected, then model sprayed in dark sea gray...
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 25, 2010, 12:19:35 AM
I was lucky to find RAF Ocean Grey (which is exact color for this  airplane - that's what writes in the instructions), so I gave a coat of it. The next of colors is RAF dark green, but first is masking with "Blu Tack". But before these, I did cables for closing the air intake belly shaft. Quite unnecessary, but I like it :))
 :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: No.1 on June 25, 2010, 08:30:32 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 26, 2010, 11:51:15 AM
Thanks No.1 :-obey
Here is painstaking masking and than spraying with RAF dark green :-wave
Title: Re: The war of Pierre Clostermann - any model flown by Clostermann
Post by: Letipapa on June 27, 2010, 01:52:26 PM
And this is how it went out...