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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Aircraft Modeling => Topic started by: No.1 on February 04, 2011, 11:49:21 AM
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This is latest Eduard release, Liberator with great add of mask, etched parts and decal sheet. First step is apply of top coat of primer as base for the interior color.
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Yeaaaaaaa... :-jump :-jump :-tri :-tri
New modeling... :-tri :-tri
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Go mate go
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Thank you friends :-ok It is turn into the green phase, all interior painted in Interior Green... Gunze Sangyo, what else :-cool
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No.1 and I have been P.M.ing about the interior color of the Liberator. The interior color of the fuselage aft of the bomb bays isn't consistent from the various factories that assembled the Liberator. Also, the color changed as time went on. It is a pretty complicated subject.
A book could be written about just the interior colors from the different manufacturers, timeframe, and changing specifications. The aft fuselage could be either Consolidated green, interior green, yellow chromate, or bare metal depending on who built the fuselage section and when. Same thing with the bomb bay--it can be Consolidated green, interior green, bare metal, or (possibly, there is a specification for this) neutral grey. I have much of this information written down from research that Gary Austin and I did. I haven't any idea where the material is, though, so be patient with me as I try to find it.
Here is a bomb bay photo of a Consolidated-built D taken just after the 1 August 1943 Ploesti mission. You can see the Consolidated green quite clearly on the bomb rack:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/PloestiBombRacks-1.jpg)
I promise to search for my research material,
Scott
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This is great input into the subject and definitely worth to use it! Good that note this in time as well I am on the very start. If mean anything, it is very possible that I will build sample machine 44-44154
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Nice kit, and excellent start, mate!
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Hope I will provide more images today ;)
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By the time 44-44154 was built Consolidated was (generally) leaving the aft fuselage unpainted. I don't know if the Consolidated-built Liberators that were earmarked for the RAF had the interiors painted or not. I tend to think not, but the color you've used is possible. I will do some more research into the B. VI to see if I have any factory photos.
Scott
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Good that I did not progress as usual, now I have time to paint bomb rack as well aft fuselage in different color. Just to see details for this.
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No.1, the photos I've seen during my research suggests the bomb bays and racks should be in the standard FS 34151 interior green for the airplane you're doing. My Carswell J was also built by Consolidated and is serial 44-40825. Everything on that airplane except the aft fuselage is 34151 and NMF aft.
Scott
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All right, this is fine :) Any precise frame from where start natural metal?
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Consolidated left everything aft of the aft bomb bay bulkhead NMF on these late production airplanes. The aft side of this bulkhead is NMF and the forward (bomb bay) side is 34151. Here's a photo of a salvage Academy fuselage with a dashed line for clarity. (I bought this one for parts.......with LOTS of this odd tan paint on EVERYTHING :-dal)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_6203.jpg)
Again, I urge everyone to use caution with the information I'm posting as each assembly plant seemed to do things differently during different periods of Liberator production. It's far from an exact science.
Scott
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Your info is just good to me and I will do in that way. Maybe I will make airframe in natural metal while the rest of the small elements will be green. In attach some images show work on the cockpit, like the instrument panel with small brass rod positioned before control wheel.
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Excellent work, Srecko!
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Thank you mate :-razz Few details from last night...
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Bombs are partially painted
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Nice! :-flo
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In this moment I completing all interior and preparing fuselage half's to join together. Strange thing is that kit does not include enough of bombs and part are not look to be good proportioned. So idea to let this section open and used some ground crew for maintenance has drop. Kit will be closed.
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Strange indeed with the bombs... Even if I prefer closed aircrafts!
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Srecko,
A B-24 usually carried twelve or less 500 pound bombs and the larger number only on short missions. If the kit provides eight, just hang two on each rack, one on the second-from top shackle and one on the second-from bottom shackle and assume they were flying a long-range trip. I have a bomb loading schedule chart somewhere in the attic that shows all of the possible combinations that could be carried.
Scott
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All right, this helps- thank you ;)
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I can't promise I'll find my loading chart as it might have ended up involved with a friend's estate. Either he or I had it last--I just can't remember.....
This model is looking great, and the interior colors look just right.
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To be honest- I will not going to change anything about the bomb inside but if you find anything valuable, please put it here as well this could be good one day for somebody.
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Some things need to be removed from the rear fuselage sides so I did this but after that I will need to paint this again. Note also some small details painted on the same metal sheet and this is gunner door, ammunition belt and engine push rods.
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Excellent, mate!
I like your progress...
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Wings completed. Instruction suggest to place engine in nacelle and put them on wings but I will put only nacelle, engine can be mounted at the very end.
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Today was house cleaning and in one moment large mattress fall and direct hit cockpit elements and the other sections and kit parts... result- only one gun was crashed from upper turret. So, after recovery from shock this kit is merged!
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:-eek :-eek I'm glad the disaster was averted!
Hey, I just thought of something that is too late to incorporate into your build. On the Minicraft B-24s I've built I added weight into each nacelle just behind the firewall. By using some weight there you don't need as much in the nose. I wish I had thought of this sooner...... :-/ Or, you can always build a tiny ammo box and set it under the tail skid like they did during the war.
Sorry I didn't think of this sooner,
Scott
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Hopefully no irreparable damage...
Excellent work, mate!
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Luckily no big harm done :-roll
Just continue, nice work so far :-ok
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Progress from this morning
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Fast and nice build, mate!
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Very nice progress for morning works. :))
This will be painted soon,or ... ?
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Not sure about the painting but maybe early next week
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A problem... it look like that kit have many subjects missing so they have to be self made. In attach is the nose of the sample machine I will going to make and it show some devices at the nose side and bottom. Any further info about this?
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Few days ago I have start work on the surface and I have brake in meantime. So I have continued with filler and sanding work.
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Again, good progression, mate. I see you're using Mr Surfacer: it's a product I don't like, I have no good results with. I prefer "classic" putty...
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Mr. Surfacer is excellent for the first layer over surface, this make much better cover of the filler in later steps. So it work good to me for some purposes.
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OK, thank you mate. I will try to use it in such a way.
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What on earth is that rod the girl is sitting on?????
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This is board for surfing ;)
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A problem... it look like that kit have many subjects missing so they have to be self made. In attach is the nose of the sample machine I will going to make and it show some devices at the nose side and bottom. Any further info about this?
The tubular item under the lovely lady is the drift meter. It would have normally been retracted flush with the fuselage but may be extended for maintenance or cleaning. I am not sure what the other "L" shaped device is yet.
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Thank you mate, this help but I will see for more close up images of J model and try to get this details before painting. In the meantime I have relax my self with detailing of the cockpit canopy and sanding all problematical area on the fuselage bottom.
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Much work on small parts, I have prepared landing gear, there is photo etched parts used for detailing. I have also add some glass and kit need to be again sanded and check out for possible surface problems before preparation for painting.
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Once again, excellent work mate!
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Thank you :)) Well, this progress somehow, I have complete some small fittings, I have add some missing details on nose and also cover windows on the nose side bottom. Rest of images show also preparation for painting.
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Painting started. In order to get fade and dirt coat I spray thin color with small diameter and make few fresh coat of the color and this give good impression. This on image is the first coat
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Looks nice, few more (announced) coats and it'll be just like a real thing :-ok
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Looks really nice, I like it!
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Very nice...
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Wow! Great work! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
I like this work very very much!
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Thank you friends, I hope that today it will be finalized in many aspects and during this days displayed :))
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Progress done until few minutes ago. Olive drab is completed with note that last coat was Olive Drab lightened with Sail color and I give thin spray over. This give good fading effect of the paint. Bottom is Neutral Grey done in similar way.
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Excellent effect, with the Sail color!
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I guess that best result will be when apply several coats of dry brushed pigments ;)
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Gloss coated and decals on :-tri
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I like pin-ups on aircraft fusealges...
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Ha ha-this is the best part of the story ;)
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Final fittings mean few days job with kit like this one... no hurry as well my flat spray varnished is empty, in some days I hope I will get new one. Images here show engine fitting
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Well,this wonderful work will be finished soon. You see light on the end of tunnel! Great job! :-flo
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Splendid!!!
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Completed :-tri
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Perfect! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
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Thank you mate :-flo This is also place on our site as article:
http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2011/02/22/liberator-beauties/
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Excellent build and article, No.1.
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Congratulations mate, excellent work!
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Thank you friends :))
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Great article :-ok
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Thank you ;)