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Title: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 02, 2011, 05:05:53 PM
I reckon we should start a thread for the Curtiss GB even though there is still much activity on the other group projects. I have doubts that I'll be doing much to my Curtiss as I want to work on a different contribution to the next web-magazine.

As a kick-off to the GB, I will (eventually) be working on the 1/48 Hobbycraft P-36/Hawk that I've had for some time.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_6893.jpg)
I'll be building a Wright-powered version, but the kit cowling is not correct, being far too oval in shape. The original is nearly circular. I simply made a couple of relief cuts in the lip of the opening and reshaped the ring cowl to the correct form. The accessory section is also too oval. To fix this issue I cut the support from the rear of the part and reshaped it to match the new cowl.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7170.jpg)
I'm giving some thought to making a mold of the reshaped parts, but it is nearly as easy to just reshape the kit pieces as it is to work with the resin copies. Time will tell.....
 
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 02, 2011, 05:13:57 PM
Great mate- just go ahead!!!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 02, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Good choice, Scott!

For myself I will of course build the MustHave! kit that I've presented in Warplanes #1... The choosen deco will be the Dutch one.

I hope to start the kit in the next few days...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 07, 2011, 08:26:12 PM
I managed to squeeze in a start to the Curtiss project. First, the wing on "wing build day" along with the A6M2 and Hs 129 wings in the background. It was easier to just work on all three while I was thinking of it.....
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7285.jpg)

After the wing was cured I offered it up to the fuselage and found huge gaps on the wing root-to-fuselage joint. I got out a three-view and saw two problems--the dihedral of the wing is too shallow and the fuselage is too narrow on the bottom. The fix for the wing was to flex the center section up into a sharper angle very carefully. This photo shows the first adjustment, more was still required:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7286.jpg)

Once the dihedral was corrected it was on to the fuselage. I found that adding roughly .020" of material to the seam in front and back of the wing area was just about right. I simply used styrene strip for this and then tapered it down gradually to nothing at the tailwheel area:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7287.jpg)

Next everything was taped together and the results checked. It'll still need a bit of work but the fit and dihedral are now much, much better than when I started. There is still MUCH work to be done at the rear and front seams of the wing-to-fuselage joints but the dimensions are now correct.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7289.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 07, 2011, 08:44:37 PM
Must send you better drawings... (wait for email...)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 07, 2011, 08:57:02 PM
Good start Scott ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 07, 2011, 09:14:29 PM
Excellent and precize work!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: samuraj77 on June 07, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Hs 129 wings in the background.

Escii kit brings nice memories  :-love
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 08, 2011, 07:56:34 AM


Escii kit brings nice memories  :-love

That Hs 129 is another of my restoration projects. I'm trying to write a magazine article around the restoration and enhancement of it. I realize the Hasegawa model is a much better kit, but this will (hopefully) make for a nice contribution to Issue 3.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 08, 2011, 08:00:43 AM
Quote
That Hs 129 is another of my restoration projects. I'm trying to write a magazine article around the restoration and enhancement of it. I realize the Hasegawa model is a much better kit, but this will (hopefully) make for a nice contribution to Issue 3.

 :-love :-love :-love This will be great! Just keep images private until submit for our magazine  ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 08, 2011, 08:02:25 AM


 :-love :-love :-love This will be great! Just keep images private until submit for our magazine  ;)

Yep. I'm working on it......
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 08, 2011, 08:14:20 AM
:-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 08, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
The first coat of aluminum lacquer for the cockpit and a few early enhancements. Notice the center spine on the cockpit floor. This is the tee-fitting where the two halves of the wing were assembled by Curtiss, and something that is often missed on models. In actuality the cockpit floor should curve somewhat as the floor is the top of the wing carry-through.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7295.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 08, 2011, 08:35:34 PM
Thank you for the info Scott, and nice alu rendering!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 08, 2011, 08:56:52 PM
I see some scratchbuild in cockpit,or my eyes deceive me!?? :-think
Will be more? :-think
Good progress...Slow,but it goes forward! :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 08, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
Your work is nice mate :-ok Is there possible that any primer color is used on interior, like green or yellow?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 09, 2011, 07:55:59 AM
I see some scratchbuild in cockpit,or my eyes deceive me!?? :-think
Will be more? :-think
Good progress...Slow,but it goes forward! :-clap :-clap :-clap

Sall,
You're right, there are a few extra parts I've added and there will be some more to fabricate.

No.1,
I'm pretty certain the particular airplane I'm replicating had the aluminum interior color. I'm still studying a couple of relevant photographs that may show some zinc chromate used on parts of the structure in the cockpit.

There are differing opinions about what color the P-36 series cockpits were. The USAAC standard at the time was the alu lacquer and the first French order was aluminum also. I've seen mention made of zinc chromate, interior green, and even grey specified by some of the export customers.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 09, 2011, 08:45:23 AM
Thank you mate for info, I also lack info about this.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 09, 2011, 03:49:33 PM
Here is a nice set of photos of the fixed-gear 75 in the Royal Thai Museum:
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat.php?cid=533&orderby=date
This airplane has a green interior, with beautiful photos here:
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/DETAILSITE/dsindex800.htm

I'm still not entirely, 100%, positive that mine is supposed to be alu, and I'm going to be doing more research before I continue the cockpit.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 09, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
Another update--I'm now pretty sure my project should have some form of interior green/zinc chromate interior........research on the internet is great when one is very patient! :-paper
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 10, 2011, 08:17:17 PM
I decided to go with the interior green after further research.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7309.jpg)

I also read some reviews of the Hobbycraft kit and found that the dihedral issue is fairly common. Some kits have the problem and some do not, maybe because of the stacking of parts trees in the kit. It certainly shouldn't deter anyone from building one--the dihedral is pretty easy to fix if your kit has a "flat" wing.

Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 10, 2011, 08:27:01 PM
I agree with the dyhedral problem: it's an easy fix. I made such a correction with the upper wing of a Fokker D.VII from Dragon, some years ago...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 12, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
A very quick update but no time for photos--if you're going to build one of these Hobbycraft/MustHave! kits, don't forget to add the fuel tank just aft of the cockpit. It's quite visible through the oval opening behind the seat. Quite easy to scratchbuild one from sheet plastic, though......
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 12, 2011, 07:41:51 PM
Good point about the tank ;) I will try to find somewhere kit to join your build...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 12, 2011, 08:50:16 PM
Thanks for the info, Scott!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 13, 2011, 12:47:30 AM
Here's how I scratched together the oval aft fuel tank. All it takes is a rectangle of .010 styrene and a semi-oval shaped stiffener for inside the rolled sheet.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7332.jpg)
After you build the front face of the tank it'll look like this glued onto the bulkhead. This bulkhead is a scratchbuilt piece for one of my old Monogram Tomahawk projects.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7320.jpg)
The final step is to paint the tank and add two mounting straps to the face. I used bare aluminum on this tank but they could also have been the same color as the tank--check your references for more details......
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7323.jpg)

My "Curtiss Assembly Line". :-roll
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7312.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 13, 2011, 05:48:34 AM
Great work in plastic mate :-ok What is the P-40 kits, which manufacturer, look like Monogram?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 13, 2011, 06:54:05 AM
Nice scratchbuild work!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 13, 2011, 07:06:42 AM
Thanks on the scratchbuilding comment, but I almost made an error in that respect. I had originally made a flat plate to represent the tank but then realized after looking at the Thai Museum airplane that the tank is oval. An addition that might be nice, but not really visible, would be to extend the "floor" behind the aft bulkhead. That tank sits on a cradle that is part of the wing center section.

Those P-40B/C projects are the old Monogram kits. I've always liked that model and have plans to build both of them soon. In fact, I borrowed the landing gear legs, wheels, and tires from one of the kits shown for the Hawk Build. I'll find a spare set in the parts boxes to replace them later!

Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 13, 2011, 07:14:09 AM
Definitely nice Curtiss family in your glass case one day :))
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on June 13, 2011, 10:05:07 AM
One-man-group-build - my man  :-ok
These tips for fuselage tank and bulkhead will be feasible for my next 3-in-1 project, P-40 B/E/N, when it comes to the line :-flo
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 13, 2011, 06:21:42 PM
One-man-group-build - my man  :-ok
These tips for fuselage tank and bulkhead will be feasible for my next 3-in-1 project, P-40 B/E/N, when it comes to the line :-flo

I really didn't think I was going to have time to work on this GB, either! We can just keep the flexibility and anyone can contribute to all the GBs whenever they wish as far as I'm concerned.

Check your references carefully on that aft bulkhead, Profa. I don't know if/when Curtiss started to put a cover over the oval opening between the cockpit and aft fuselage. I did only research on the P-36 and very early P-40s.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 13, 2011, 06:58:45 PM
I like your scratchbuild Scott.I look so good!So many tiny details. :-clap :-clap
You definitely have production line! :)) It's cool! :-cool
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 13, 2011, 07:20:53 PM

You definitely have production line!

The two P-40s are reboxed and back on the "to-do" shelf....... ;)

I'm not too much in the mood for modeling today as we found out that the B-17 Liberty Belle has burned out in a field in Illinois. Thank God no serious injuries to anyone aboard. As many of you may know I've spent time as a mechanic/inspector on two other Fortresses and today is somewhat like losing a member of the family. Again, the main thing, the people are alright.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 13, 2011, 07:32:11 PM
Sad new. Fortunately no casualties...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 13, 2011, 07:42:10 PM
Yes, that is VERY good news.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 13, 2011, 08:03:25 PM
Just seen image of this crash :(
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on June 13, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
Good news among bad news...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 17, 2011, 07:32:25 PM
Back to work on the Hawk 75 again. The accessory section of the fuselage was mentioned on page one as needing to be reshaped to fit the corrected cowling. First I cut the large bar out of the section so I could flex the part to a less-oval shape. The small aluminum tube below the part is going to replace the plastic stiffener I removed earlier, the stubs of which are still evident. This tube will spread the front of the accessory cowl to match the reshaped engine ring cowl.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7349.jpg)
Next I glued the accessory cowl to the fuselage, trying to maintain a fairly accurate joint between the two sections. After the glue had fully dried I spread the front of the opening in order to install the aluminum spreader bar.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7351.jpg)
This is the final result after a bit of filler. The bell-shape of the accessory cowl is now accurate for a Wright powered Curtiss.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7352.jpg)
And, a photo of the current state of the project:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7353.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 17, 2011, 07:39:38 PM
Good job!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 17, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
I forgot to mention that there were several rather peculiar fit issues when I offered the wing up to the fuselage. It's nothing that can't be fairly easily repaired with some CA glue and filler, but will take a bit of work. The worst area is where the forward fuselage and wing come together, and the aft joint at the flap area is also problematic. Hopefully this is isolated to my particular kit and won't be a problem for other builders.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 17, 2011, 10:22:42 PM
Splendid, Scott!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 17, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
So good work mate :)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 18, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Thank you!

Next step will be to get the cowl flaps opened up and then fit an engine to the airframe.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 19, 2011, 06:06:43 AM
The R-1820 in my Hawk 75 kit leaves quite a lot to be desired. The detail is fairly sparce and it is quite a bit under-scale for 1/48. I decided to once again use a resin Cyclone from the Y1B-17 project. This is an earlier dash number and I'll have to update the lower oil sump to one from a spare Monogram B-17G engine. Here's a picture of the two side-by-side. The resin item will fill the cowling properly when the time comes.....
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7367.jpg)

Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 19, 2011, 07:43:50 AM
Sure that the resin engine provided with the MustHave! kit will also replace advantageously the poor original one...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 19, 2011, 02:49:08 PM
Good!!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 19, 2011, 03:36:01 PM
Sure that the resin engine provided with the MustHave! kit will also replace advantageously the poor original one...

You're absolutely correct--the MustHave! engine will doubtless be superior to both the kit part and resin version that I am using.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 21, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
Here is the engine and cowling after fitting the carburetor and oil cooler scoops, awaiting some finish work on the cowl flaps and final paint.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7378.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 21, 2011, 08:47:36 PM
So detailed :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Letipapa on June 22, 2011, 10:52:30 AM
Wows! Engine looks superb. :-obey Bravo! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 22, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
Excellent, Scott!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 23, 2011, 01:13:10 AM
What great engine.I like it so much! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 28, 2011, 07:18:47 AM
Thanks, y'all--I can't take much credit for that engine as I simply recast parts from an SBD-2 kit to make it.

I have done a little bit more on the Curtiss in the last few days. I'm almost ready for the major paint coat to go on after spraying all of the odds-and-ends. So far there are seven distinct colors on this model........with just a couple more to go.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7389.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 28, 2011, 07:50:18 AM
Excellent factory cream protection color mate, nice shade :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on June 28, 2011, 09:44:46 AM
Interesting colors on this model! :-flo
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 28, 2011, 04:48:47 PM
Really interresting...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on June 28, 2011, 04:52:12 PM
Machine from 'Little Norway' :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on June 28, 2011, 04:53:40 PM
I think so too...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on June 29, 2011, 06:11:20 PM
Machine from 'Little Norway' :-ok

Sort of. ;) The final scheme may become clearer yet today if I get the airbrush fired up. Right now I'm still sipping coffee...... :-paper
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 02, 2011, 07:24:26 PM
Time to work on mine...

Parts are removed from the sprue. Then I prepared the resin parts. You can see the wheels supporting the weight of the aircraft; but also a comparrison between the engine of the Hobbycraft kit and the one in resin from MustHave! Well... Comparison...  :))
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 02, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
Good! :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 02, 2011, 07:31:33 PM
Parts are excellent!!!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 02, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
Yes, the resin parts really add a lot to the kit. Keep up the good work and updates!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 02, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Thank you!

I'm trying to work on 4 kits at the same time: the DH2 (only when I'm superzen - not that week); the Dr.I; the Rafale and the Mohawk. D.VII will follow as soon as I will buy laser decal sheets... Who said "Stakhanovist???"
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 02, 2011, 08:49:42 PM
Yup, I know the feeling--I've got several on the desk right now also......hopefully I'll be able to get the final paint color on my 75 yet this weekend and then start final assembly.

I did some surfing and found a review of your kit that mentioned having to trim the cylinder heads to fit into the Hobbycraft cowling. I ended up thinning my cowl somewhat to clear the cylinders, but that was after I'd reshaped it to the rounder configuration. Other than that it has been a fairly easy process.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 02, 2011, 09:53:28 PM
Stakhanovist?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 02, 2011, 10:05:13 PM
I googled it and it fits pretty accurately :-obey--but to be rewarded you must complete the production!!!!! I won't be getting any awards anytime soon........ :-wall
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 02, 2011, 10:40:10 PM
Yes Scott, I've discussed about that today with Philippe Jourdan: The cylinders heads of the engine have to be trimmed just because Philippe realised his engine at scale - But at scale the cowler is thin: if you "translate" the 1/48 cowl at 1/1 you will have 8cm... That's why trim is needed.

@ Srecko: from Stakhanov. Stakhanovism is the cadences for work, always higher...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 02, 2011, 10:41:33 PM
All right... do you want me to prepare set of lozenge for print?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 02, 2011, 10:46:44 PM
All right... do you want me to prepare set of lozenge for print?

Very kind but no, thanks mate: I've those made by Doug Baumann; I just need to buy laser decal sheets. Will do that after the 7th july. I have found a shop in the USA that sells interresting quantities at reasonable prices:
http://www.decalpaper.com/category-s/3.htm
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 02, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
Good :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 03, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
Just a little work this morning (we will go PM to the Maredsous abbey, to drink a trappist beer and eat abbey bread with abbey cheese  :)) ; and restaurant in the evening)

The photoetched seat is splendid but asked attention to be correctly formed...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 03, 2011, 11:02:05 AM
Good! :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 04, 2011, 08:25:43 AM
Here's a hint as to which Curtiss I'm building--guesses welcome...........
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7446.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 04, 2011, 08:43:42 AM
Better not to try :)) But definitely not US sample ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 04, 2011, 10:13:22 AM
To me blue/white combination looks like Argentinian?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 04, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
To me blue/white combination looks like Argentinian?
+1! ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 04, 2011, 05:14:07 PM
Intriguing...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 04, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Perhaps later today I'll give another hint on this quiz......the paintwork still has a couple of steps to go.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 05, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
Since I have built a large number of Monogram P-40s over the years (and scrapped a few of them for various reasons :-wall) I had some extra landing gear legs in the spares bin. The Hobbycraft gear is useable but the Monogram parts have better detail and a bit crisper molding. I did have to remove the simple lock link strut from each leg and replace these with the two-piece arms as on the 1/1 airplane. I also used a bit of Evergreen channel stock to replicate the side brace that is lacking from both kits. I confess I have no idea what the source is for the tailwheel assembly--I pulled the appropriate part out of the spares bin as well. The P-40 parts are well executed but the fork lower leg is on the wrong side of the tire for the Hawk 75 I'm building.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7457.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 05, 2011, 08:26:55 PM
This is called composition :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 05, 2011, 08:35:40 PM
Yes, composition... or "cannibalism"... ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 05, 2011, 08:38:57 PM
Cannibal Corpse :))
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 05, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
It isn't really cannibalism if I "found" the parts in the spares bin is it? :-jump I was fortunate to find the P-40 tires and wheels intact since each is made up of four pieces. All they need is to have the seams cleaned up and repainted and I'll be in business.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 05, 2011, 08:40:52 PM
Must check out something- did they have flat or diamond shapes on the rubber surfaces, this detail miss on P-40 as well P-36 (if they use it)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 05, 2011, 11:57:26 PM
Very good wheel Scott! ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 06, 2011, 07:04:28 AM
The early (pre-war) fighters nearly always had the smooth tires as you see here. I'm not certain when the treaded designs started to appear, but it was after the particular Hawk I'm building. My thinking is that almost all prewar airfields had proper grass landing areas and smooth tires are most efficient when flying off of grass. The treaded tire types in the U.S. were developed for hard surfaces, dirt runways, and pierced steel planking and started showing up on heavier airplanes first, then moving to the lighter types. The Navy and Marine Corps also switched to various tread types for their own reasons.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 06, 2011, 07:54:45 AM
Thank you for info mate, this is some details I miss
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 06, 2011, 04:42:25 PM
If I am able to find the reference I can give some more information on the tire industry in U.S. aircraft production. Somewhere in the piles of books there are dates when treaded tires started to show up on fighters. If memory serves, first it was the smooth ones, then circumferential tread (straight grooves around the tire) then the diamond and "waffle" treads started to show up next. I reckon a book could be written about the tire tread patterns! Having spent so many years studying the heavy and very heavy bombers I do know the different tread patterns used on the B-17, B-24, B-29, and B-32. It's rather boring stuff except to us modelers and restorers..... :-paper
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 06, 2011, 06:54:05 PM
Paint scheme hint #2:  ;)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7460.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 06, 2011, 06:57:09 PM
France? :-think
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 06, 2011, 07:02:57 PM
Nope.

Sorry that the photo is so poor. I'll shoot a new one under different lighting.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 06, 2011, 07:11:16 PM
Thailand?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 06, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
Nope. Here's a better picture that shows the colors better:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7464.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 06, 2011, 10:37:54 PM
Thought of that earlier, but couldn't find the picture until now...
That red/white/green flag misses something ;)
Now that I've solved it, I'll leave to others to find it as well... :-wave

p.s. hint from my side, and I hope that you Scott wouldn't mind
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: samuraj77 on July 07, 2011, 01:48:54 AM
Iran perhaps, that's the one I would go for...
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 07, 2011, 10:57:20 AM
Iran perhaps, that's the one I would go for...
+1! ??
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 07, 2011, 06:57:48 PM
Thought of that earlier, but couldn't find the picture until now...
That red/white/green flag misses something ;)
Now that I've solved it, I'll leave to others to find it as well... :-wave

p.s. hint from my side, and I hope that you Scott wouldn't mind

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7470.jpg)

No, I don't mind at all! That photo is one of my reference sources. Interestingly, it was published in reverse, so there are good photos of both the left and right side of the machine. It's been a %&#!!@* to mask and spray all the different colors and shades...... With some work I could get this finished sometime this weekend.

Good deduction, friends!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 07, 2011, 07:21:47 PM
Color photo of Iranian sample?
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 07, 2011, 07:27:53 PM
Sort of, No.1 The airplane is not completed in the two photos we have, but still has the clear blue coating that Curtiss used to protect their sheetmetal during production. So, no national markings on the wings or fuselage.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 07, 2011, 07:28:49 PM
Thank you mate ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 07, 2011, 11:04:54 PM
The airplane is not completed in the two photos we have, but still has the clear blue coating that Curtiss used to protect their sheetmetal during production. So, no national markings on the wings or fuselage.
Ups... :-think that particular plane was ex-Norvegian, still visible are Norvegian markings on the aileron.
Picture is from A-J Press - Monografie Lotnicze n°063 - Curtiss P-36 Hawk Cz.3
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 08, 2011, 07:30:41 AM
The airplane is not completed in the two photos we have, but still has the clear blue coating that Curtiss used to protect their sheetmetal during production. So, no national markings on the wings or fuselage.
Ups... :-think that particular plane was ex-Norvegian, still visible are Norvegian markings on the aileron.
Picture is from A-J Press - Monografie Lotnicze n°063 - Curtiss P-36 Hawk Cz.3

That is actually an interesting situation, Profa. The aileron is the only Norwegian-marked piece on the airplane and you can see the sand-toned color sprayed on various parts of the structure where the panels join. It appears that the aileron made its way onto the Iranian machine during final assembly. The Norwegian A-8 variant and Iranian A-9 were being produced at the same time so some mixing of parts isn't too surprising. According to the research I've gleaned this is one of the nine airplanes that the British uncrated and "adopted" as Mohawk IVs.

Here's a black and white photo of the right side of this same airplane. The Norwegian aileron is barely visible, but I have a color photo of this machine that shows it better.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/PersianHawk.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 08, 2011, 08:19:39 AM
So I can drop my color profile... :( (or drop forever committee orders...)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 08, 2011, 02:09:50 PM
So I can drop my color profile... :( (or drop forever committee orders...)
That's why I asked: http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/vazduhoplovna-umetnost-warplane-art/curtiss-hawk-75/msg24211/#new

@Scott: as this is the only colour photo of this machine I've seen, a can't but to believe its caption. Here it is, together with English translation (I had to use Google where I wasn't sure about the meaning...)
Curtiss H-75A-9 Hawk w trakcie zmiany barv. Ex-norweski Hawk, zakupiony przez USAAF jako RP-36G jest wlasnie przemalowywany. Na sterze kierunky widoczne sa juz barwy iranu, natomiast na lotze widoczne sa jeszcze pozostalosci norweskich oznakowan oraz jasnoszary kolor, na jaki malowane byly norweskie maszyny w Kanadzie. Widoczne sa slady malowania natryskowego wnetrza kadluba, szczegolnie wokol pokrywy za kabina i w rejonie uchwyty pod owiewka. Samolot byl pomalowany na kolor jasnogranatowy, jedynie panel za silnikiem byl w naturalnej barwie duralu. Niestety, w czesci drugiej monografiiHawka na str. 26 u dolu zdjecie jest blednie podpisane - jak widac tutaj, nie nie mogl byc on srebrny - po prosty autor tekstu o malowaniu Hawkow, pan S. Fleischer byl niedoinformowany. Zdjecie to, jak rowniez kilka innych w tej czesci monografii, otrzymalem od Michala Szapowalowa z Kanady, za co skladam serdeczne podziekowanie. Wydawca

Curtiss H-75A-9 Hawk during a change of color. Ex-Norwegian Hawk, purchased by the USAAF as the RP-36G is just overcoating. On the rudder are already visible Iranian colors, while on ailerons are still visible remains of the Norwegian markings and light gray color, to which were painted Norwegian machines in Canada. Shown are the traces of spray painting interior of fuselage, particularly around the cover of the cockpit and the area under the fairing brackets. The plane was painted in the light navy blue, only the panel behind the engine was in the natural color of dural. Unfortunately, in the second part of the monograph Hawk on page 26 at the bottom picture is wrongly signed - as you can see here, there could not be a silver - easily author of the text about painting Hawks, Mr. S. Fleischer was uninformed. This photo, as also several others in this part of the monograph I received from Michael Szapowalow from Canada, for which We are very grateful. publisher

The photo on page 26 of part II is the same as the one you've posted.
I'm sure your sources are much better, no doubts about it, and this is the only info I have about this particular machine...

Changed aileron or not, I like the scheme :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 08, 2011, 02:17:48 PM
For you, No.1, I have something else :-flo
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 08, 2011, 04:28:46 PM
Ha ha ha :) Thank you :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 08, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Here is the rear 1/4 view of the same Curtiss, Profa. The clear blue factory overcoating is more easily seen in this picture.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/116808481.jpg)

As you said, regardless of who the airplane was delivered to, it is an interesting "paint" scheme. I have had the two color photos bookmarked for a number of years with the idea of someday building a model of this bird. Here is also a link to some color photos of H-81s and P-40s from LIFE magazine that show the same protective blue coating to advantage. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35963591@N00/4129633096/in/photostream/

I've got lots of pieces of the old Monogram P-40 lying about, maybe I should do one during assembly...... :-think
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 08, 2011, 07:20:59 PM
Now this is an interesting picture, showing right aileron in natural metal (or light gray) and LEFT one in Norwegian markings, as opposite to the picture I've posted... :-think
Looking closer, I come to the conclusion that one of images is mirrored - my plane misses small mark under the windshield and your misses that burnished mark (?) under cockpit and also radio-compartment panel on the rear fuselage after the cockpit. More, Arabian letters (or these are numbers ???) are also mirrored.
I've right now also checked the drawings - radio panel should be on the LEFT side, therefore my image is mirrored!
Now we have both sides :-jump Here attached is my picture mirrored to the left side
Srecko, go to work!!! ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 08, 2011, 07:25:43 PM
Yes, you're right about the "flipped" image. The book I have also had that photo reversed. I puzzled over it many years ago when I first saw it but finally noticed the radio access door and the propeller pitch was backwards.

Scott
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 10, 2011, 07:52:22 AM
A very short update on my Hobbycraft/Academy Curtiss. I have read a number of reviews of this kit that were not complimentary of the fit of the small side fuselage transparencies. One reviewer mentioned scribing a groove around the entire perimeter of the opening in the fuselage in order for the adhesive to flow more evenly. I started to attempt this method (you can see my chicken-scratching on the top of the tan part :-roll) but finally decided to try something easier.

The "glass" actually sits in the opening pretty nicely prior to gluing. I ended up securing the window with three tiny dabs of Testors tube glue in the spots marked with the yellow triangles. The front two spots are completely hidden by the painted frame of the transparency and the one in the apex of the after end of the window is so tiny as to be nearly invisible.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7472.jpg)

The fuel cap needs some touching up and then the window can be installed.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 10, 2011, 08:20:19 AM
Honestly I more thrust you then any other reviewer ;) This going so good!!!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 10, 2011, 11:34:34 PM
Finally........
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7479.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7480.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7482.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_7483.jpg)

I believe I'll wait a few months before I build another "fresh from the Curtiss assembly line" model :-wall. This Persian/Iranian H75A-9 has always been on my "to-do" list of machines I wanted to build, but the paint scheme was VERY time consuming. Perhaps the next Hawk I build will be the same ship in her later RAF Mohawk IV scheme--that looks much easier........

Scott
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 10, 2011, 11:51:31 PM
Looks so cool and great! Bravo! :-clap :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 11, 2011, 06:36:38 AM
Absolutely fabulous!

Well done, Scott!!!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 11, 2011, 06:52:58 AM
Excellent work and be happy it have no pattern like AJ-37 :))
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 11, 2011, 07:20:56 AM
Mmmmmmm........I really like that splinter camouflage. Viggen Group Build, anyone!? (I'm sort of bluffing as I don't have a kit--yet.)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 11, 2011, 07:56:33 AM
I also have no kit but before consider this Group Build there must be find which kit is very precise, otherwise no way to apply that complex camouflage
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 11, 2011, 09:32:03 AM
True gem, bravo! :-ok
I also wanted to do this sample once (although didn't know the right colours until few days ago), but now I'm sure I'll do it as soon as I find the kit!

As per Viggen... nice plane, cammo more than interesting :-think ... count me in, once (don't have that kit either).  ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 11, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
Im in for Viggen Group Build!!
Just to find some good kit in 1/72.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 11, 2011, 05:01:33 PM
True gem, bravo! :-ok
I also wanted to do this sample once (although didn't know the right colours until few days ago), but now I'm sure I'll do it as soon as I find the kit!

As per Viggen... nice plane, cammo more than interesting :-think ... count me in, once (don't have that kit either).  ;)

Here's a hint on the blue coating for your future build, Profa. I sprayed the entire surface with Metalizer and then applied varying densities of Tamiya clear blue over. On my next attempt I may use a normal silver enamel or lacquer as the undercoat as the blue doesn't adhere strongly to the Metalizer.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 11, 2011, 08:01:28 PM
Sanding in the cockpit. Than, I've glued resin parts and applied putty (last photo is soooo bad...  :-red )
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on July 11, 2011, 08:06:29 PM
Great cockpit have that MustHave! :-eek :-flo
and... You are doing an excellent job! ;) :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on July 11, 2011, 08:26:16 PM
Thank you SAll! ;)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 11, 2011, 08:40:24 PM
This will be fun to watch you build since I just experienced the "stock" version! :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Profa on July 11, 2011, 08:42:31 PM
@Scott: I thought of doing it the same way. Maybe it would be even easier to cover surface with different metalizers, and then go with normal coating of clear blue...
@Daniel: looks nice and promissing... :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 12, 2011, 07:27:39 AM
Yes, Profa--I tried using magnesium color as a contrasting undercoat and it does exactly what you mentioned. I had already sprayed the first light blue coat on the fuselage when I thought of it so I masked and sprayed another coat of blue for the darker parts. I ended up using 3M "sticky notes" paper to mask with in order to not pull up the blue. It worked very well.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on July 12, 2011, 07:31:50 AM
I also sometimes use this sticky papers, they did do good job
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on July 12, 2011, 07:53:41 AM
I was actually a little surprised at how good they worked! I had to roll them up a little to stay in the right contour but the "unsticky" adhesive worked fantastic. I'll probably be using more of this for NMF masking from now on.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on October 17, 2012, 08:40:59 PM
Here's the latest Curtiss Hawk from my desk. The decals are from Tally Ho!, the kit from Hobbycraft with my resin engine and cowlings. It's also on my ML-KNIL thread......
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0878.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on October 17, 2012, 08:41:47 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on October 17, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on October 18, 2012, 06:31:26 AM
:-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on November 11, 2012, 07:44:00 PM
Another Curtiss from my bench, this one a Mohawk IV. Again, same as my first built on this thread, Hobbycraft kit, my own resin cowling, R1820 and accessory section, and resin cockpit:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0956.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on November 11, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
Aha! Nice one too!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on November 11, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
This will be nice Brit :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on November 11, 2012, 08:53:22 PM
Ohohoho, go ahead!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on November 12, 2012, 05:18:50 AM
Undersides camouflaged on RAF Curtiss and Brewster:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_0964.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on November 12, 2012, 05:20:46 AM
Nice work on both mate :)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on November 12, 2012, 08:10:56 AM
Great!
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on November 12, 2012, 02:16:27 PM
 :-clap :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on November 25, 2012, 04:22:56 AM
Progress on the Curtiss:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1041.jpg)

And also the Brewster is in the same stage. I reckon I should move this build to a different thread but I'm too lazy tonight:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1042.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on November 25, 2012, 07:37:51 AM
Lazy :)) I have brother here :)) Nice progress mate :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on November 25, 2012, 09:17:13 AM
:-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on November 25, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Good job mate! :-clap
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on November 25, 2012, 03:40:58 PM
Actually both of these are now almost complete. There was a "Star Wars Marathon" on yesterday and I tinkered with the Curtiss and Brewster when I was feeling up to it. It took the first three episodes of the series to weather the two models. I'm feeling somewhat more energetic today, maybe my cold is getting better.
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Second Air Force on November 30, 2012, 05:22:44 PM
I'm still healing from the cold I've had but it didn't stop me from completing the Curtiss. After decaling and flat varnish coat I decided to use several different weathering ideas. This airplane was stationed in India and the paint suffered from both staining and fading. To accomplish the fading I tried an "airbrush-wash" of very light tan thinned greatly. I then dusted this on with the airbrush, using both overall coating and some streaking in places. When this dried I applied some dark washes to represent the grime of heavy use, followed by my white-glue wash to represent staining while parked on the ground during rainy periods.

The airplane represents a Mohawk IV of 155 Squadron at Imphal, India in November of 1943. The paints used were all Model Master colors with Aeromaster decals.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1064.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1071.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1069.jpg)

Also, because I don't think it needs another thread, here is the Buffalo. The paint was all old Humbrol, decals are a mix of Tamiya kit decals and spares box items, and weathering done much the same as the Curtiss. The airplane is a little bit of a mystery. A color! photo of this machine was taken by a Japanese soldier at a salvage/junkyard. The location is thought to be near Senbawan, Malaya and the airplane may have been used by the combined 21/453 Squadron before the RAF reduced it to a parts source.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1061.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_1059.jpg)
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: Sall on November 30, 2012, 07:31:59 PM
Beautiful kits here Scott!!! :-clap :-clap
I like both!! :-clap :-love
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: No.1 on November 30, 2012, 08:40:26 PM
Excellent work and nice effect with white glue :-clap :-ok
Title: Re: June Group Build--Curtiss Hawk 75
Post by: draken35 on December 01, 2012, 10:51:41 PM
Nice builds, Scott!!! :-ok