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Title: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 01, 2012, 03:13:26 PM
The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 (Russian: Микоян и Гуревич МиГ-21; NATO reporting name "Fishbed") is a supersonic jet fighter aircraft, designed by the Mikoyan-Gurevich Design Bureau in the Soviet Union. It was popularly nicknamed "balalaika", from the aircraft's planform-view resemblance to the Russian stringed musical instrument or ołówek (English: pencil) by Polish pilots due to the shape of its fuselage. Early versions are considered second-generation jet fighters, while later versions are considered to be third-generation jet fighters. Some 50 countries over four continents have flown the MiG-21, and it still serves many nations a half-century after its maiden flight. The fighter made aviation records. At least by name, it is the most-produced supersonic jet aircraft in aviation history and the most-produced combat aircraft since the Korean War, and it had the longest production run of a combat aircraft (1959 to 1985 over all variants).

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/MiG-21_RB6.jpg/800px-MiG-21_RB6.jpg)

Development

The MiG-21 jet fighter was a continuation of Soviet jet fighters, starting with the subsonic MiG-15 and MiG-17, and the supersonic MiG-19. A number of experimental Mach 2 Soviet designs were based on nose intakes with either swept-back wings, such as the Sukhoi Su-7, or tailed deltas, of which the MiG-21 would be the most successful.

Development of what would become the MiG-21 began in the early 1950s, when Mikoyan OKB finished a preliminary design study for a prototype designated Ye-1 in 1954. This project was very quickly reworked when it was determined that the planned engine was underpowered; the redesign led to the second prototype, the Ye-2. Both these and other early prototypes featured swept wings—the first prototype with delta wings as found on production variants was the Ye-4. The Ye-4 made its maiden flight on 16 June 1955 and made its first public appearance during the Soviet Aviation Day display at Moscow's Tushino airfield in July 1956. The MiG-21 was the first successful Soviet aircraft combining fighter and interceptor characteristics in a single aircraft. It was a lightweight fighter, achieving Mach 2 with a relatively low-powered afterburning turbojet, and is thus comparable to the American Lockheed F-104 Starfighter and Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter and the French Dassault Mirage III. Its basic layout was used for numerous other Soviet designs; delta-winged aircraft included Su-9 interceptor and the fast E-150 prototype from MiG bureau while the mass-produced successful front fighter Su-7 and Mikoyan's I-75 experimental interceptor combined a similar fuselage shape with swept-back wings. However, the characteristic layout with the shock cone and front air intake did not see widespread use outside the USSR and finally proved to have limited development potential, mainly because of the very small space available for the radar.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/MiG-21_Bulgarian_Air_Force.jpg/800px-MiG-21_Bulgarian_Air_Force.jpg)

Like many aircraft designed as interceptors, the MiG-21 had a short range. This was not helped by a design defect where the center of gravity shifted rearwards once two-thirds of the fuel had been used. This had the effect of making the plane uncontrollable, resulting in an endurance of only 45 minutes in clean condition. The issue of the short endurance and low fuel capacity of the MiG-21F, PF, PFM, S/SM and M/MF variants—though each had a somewhat greater fuel capacity than its predecessor—led to the development of the MT and SMT variants. These had a range increase of 250 km (155 mi) compared to the MiG-21SM, but at the cost of worsening all other performance figures (such as a lower service ceiling and slower time to altitude).

The delta wing, while excellent for a fast-climbing interceptor, meant any form of turning combat led to a rapid loss of speed. However, the light loading of the aircraft could mean that a climb rate of 235 m/s (46,250 ft/min) was possible with a combat-loaded MiG-21bis, not far short of the performance of the later F-16A. Given a skilled pilot and capable missiles, it could give a good account of itself against contemporary fighters. It was replaced by the newer variable-geometry MiG-23 and MiG-27 for ground support duties. However, not until the MiG-29 would the Soviet Union ultimately replace the MiG-21 as a maneuvering dogfighter to counter new American air superiority types.

The MiG-21 was exported widely and continues to be used. The aircraft's simple controls, engine, weapons, and avionics were typical of Soviet-era military designs. The use of a tail with the delta wing aids stability and control at the extremes of the flight envelope, enhancing safety for lower-skilled pilots; this in turn enhanced its marketability in exports to developing countries with limited training programs and restricted pilot pools. While technologically inferior to the more advanced fighters it often faced, low production and maintenance costs made it a favorite of nations buying Eastern Bloc military hardware. Several Russian, Israeli and Romanian firms have begun to offer upgrade packages to MiG-21 operators, designed to bring the aircraft up to a modern standard, with greatly upgraded avionics and armaments.

Due to the lack of available information, early details of the MiG-21 were often confused with those of the similar Sukhoi fighters also under development. Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1960–1961 describes the "Fishbed" as a Sukhoi design, and uses an illustration of the Su-9 'Fishpot'.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/RViPVO_SFRJ_MiG21MF.jpg)

Production

A total of 10,645 aircraft were built in the USSR. They were produced in three factories: GAZ 30 (3,203 aircraft) in Moscow (also known as Znamya Truda), GAZ 21 (5,765 aircraft)in Gorky and at GAZ 31 (1,678 aircraft) in Tbilisi. Generally, Gorky built single-seaters for the Soviet forces. Moscow built single-seaters for export and Tbilisi manufactured the twin-seaters both for export and for the USSR, though there were exceptions. The MiG-21R and MiG-21bis for export and for the USSR were built in Gorky, 17 single-seaters were built in Tbilisi (MiG-21 and MiG-21F), the MiG-21MF was first built in Moscow and then Gorky, and the MiG-21U was built in Moscow as well as in Tbilisi.
A total of 194 MiG-21F-13s were built under licence in Czechoslovakia, and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. of India built 657 MiG-21FL, MiG-21M and MiG-21bis (of which 225 were bis)


Current operators:
     Azerbaijan
     Bulgaria (photo in flight 2011)
     Cambodia
     Croatia
     Cuba
     Egypt
     Eritrea
     Ethiopia
     India
    Libya Libyan Republic
     Mali
     North Korea
     Romania
     Serbia
     Syria
     Uganda
     Vietnam
     Yemen
     Zambia

Former operators

     Afghanistan
     Albania
     Algeria
     Angola
     Bangladesh
     Belarus
     Burkina Faso
     Chad
     China (Replaced by similar-looking Chengdu J-7. Other than Mig-21F13 supplied by Soviet Union, China also traded a small amount of Mig-21MFs with J-7 export variations, then developed J-7C/D based on Mig-21MFs. The deal was between China and a certain Middle East country. [48])
     Congo, Republic of the
     Congo, Democratic Republic of
     Czechoslovakia (Passed on to the Czech Republic and Slovakia.)
     Czech Republic
     East Germany (Passed on to Germany after reunification.)
     Finland
     Germany
     Georgia
     Guinea
     Guinea-Bissau
     Hungary
     Indonesia
     Iran (Ex-Iraqi MiG-21 received after Iran-Iraq War)
     Iraq (As of Saddam's Era)
     Israel (Captured from Syria and Egypt)
     Kyrgyzstan (Still houses some 100 partly dismantled fighters.)
     Laos
     Libya (As of Gaddafi's Era)
     Madagascar
     Mongolia
     Mozambique
     Namibia
     Nigeria
     Poland
     Russia
     Slovakia
     Somalia
     Soviet Union (Passed on to successor states.)
     Sudan
     Tanzania
     Turkmenistan
     United States (Evaluation only.)
     Ukraine
     North Yemen (Passed on to Yemen after reunification.)
     South Yemen (Passed on to Yemen after reunification.)
     Yugoslavia (Passed on to successor states.)
     Zaire (Four were exported to Zairean rebels by FR Yugoslavia [49]
     Zimbabwe
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 01, 2012, 03:14:45 PM
My kit is in Belgrade, and i'm not at home until 9.1.2012,so i will put some photos then... ;)
Enjoy friends! :-flo
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 01, 2012, 03:16:00 PM
Excellent start- thank you!!! I will start tomorrow with my Eduard kit of MiG-21bis and it will have Finland markings :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Ernie on January 01, 2012, 03:35:55 PM
Yeah!!!! Here we go, this will be my entry
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i179/captianplastic/004.jpg)

This was a limited production kit from a long time back. It has a resin fuselage, p/e details, vac canopy, and the plastic parts are from OEZ. Let thr bulding begin!!! :-ok
Ernie
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 01, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
I'll be doing the Eduard Weekend Edition MF in the kit-provided DDR markings. I've actually got it on the bench as we speak and the first glue has been applied.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 01, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
Excellent presentation, Sall!

I will continue to build my little 144th kits in parallel... This is due to the fact I will have to review them.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 01, 2012, 04:48:48 PM
Cool! This will be big Group Build! :-tri
Thank you guys! :)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 02, 2012, 02:55:24 AM
A question or advice from y'all: Does anyone have photos or memory for the wheelwell color for an East German Mig-21MF? My guess is RLM02 or a darker grey would be correct but my references are rather sketchy when it comes to the wheelbays.

Thanks in advance,
Scott
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 02, 2012, 06:26:03 AM
First-of-January progress on my end. So far this looks to be an excellent kit to assemble, even better than some of the reviews I've read.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9002.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9000.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8998.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_8996.jpg)

I should mention that my kit is a Weekend Edition version so it lacks some of the goodies in the normal kit. I also purchased this Eduard PE set (for the Academy kit) at a very reduced sale price. So far it fits the Eduard plastic just perfectly.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 02, 2012, 07:54:10 AM
Not much to be seen:

http://www.skybird-ev.de/central/merseburg/673.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4268/28907747.jpg

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1036/769564217_ecfaf5bd7b_o.jpg
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 02, 2012, 11:14:35 AM
Good progress Scott! :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: 0viking0 on January 02, 2012, 01:53:56 PM
Can I join if it's not too late?

What's the deadline?
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 02, 2012, 02:17:26 PM
Can I join if it's not too late?

What's the deadline?

In general is best way to start at month of GB and complete it in same month. But this is just theory, in practice you can start now in January and complete when you manage to do that. make your time and arrangement :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 02, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
I have unpack MiG-21bis from Eduard and will start work tomorrow. Must focus to do as much as I can on MiG-29 but also some other things (magazine, orders...)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: 0viking0 on January 02, 2012, 02:55:15 PM
A month... Hmm. OK. I could try to make one in 1/144.

I post everything in this thread?
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 02, 2012, 03:10:02 PM
Yes, we make bulk post on one thread, hope this is not problem for you. Thank you :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: 0viking0 on January 02, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
No problem. I'll try to finish one in a month.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 02, 2012, 04:39:23 PM
Nice Srecko,go ahead!! :-ok
Yes Ernie,you post everything here! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: 0viking0 on January 02, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
OK, This is what I'll do. I hope i will be over in a month. Stand by for WIP images.

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4867/111wmw.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 02, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Razvedcik!!! Great one :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 02, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
Excellent! Glad to see here so much peoples and kits!! :-tri :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 02, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
Hurrah! Another project!

Don't be too concerned about finishing within the month--I'm still adding Corsairs to the F4U GB nine months later!!! :-eek
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 03, 2012, 05:54:51 AM
Some more progress on my side--I don't have to work until Wednesday of this week so I've gotten several projects done around the house and still had a bit of time for the MiG.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9013.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9005.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9008.jpg)

I must say that if there are any pitfalls to building this kit I haven't found them. :-ok Both the plastic and PE parts are simply wonderful to work with. :-clap :-clap :-clap The fit is very nice with just a tiny bit of filler needed on a few seams.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 03, 2012, 07:13:12 AM
Nice kit at all :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 03, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
Nice work Scott!! Looking good, i like it! :-clap :-clap
Are you cut flaps or they are like on first photo in kit? Will you put them in downed position? :-think
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 03, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
The kit comes just this way, Sall. The flaps are actually molded to be installed in the "up" position but it will be a relatively easy matter to drop them. They're on tracks and move aft as well as down, so some work will be required to drop them, including adding a bit to the leading edge of the flap and modeling the cove in the wing structure.

 I'm enjoying this as a "box-stock" build and the DDR airplanes I have photos of show the flaps stowed while parked.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 03, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 03, 2012, 05:27:51 PM
 :-ok :-ok :-ok to all of you!!!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 04, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, y'all!

Here's the nearly finished seat for mine. The Carpet Monster got two of the %(*%@ seatbelt harness sections this morning but I found both of them later. I need a catch-basin around me when I'm working with PE parts..... :-wall
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9028.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 04, 2012, 01:49:22 AM
I like your seat Scott! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 04, 2012, 02:02:33 AM
It's all Eduard and a little paint! :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 04, 2012, 02:10:31 AM
Great work on seat mate :)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 04, 2012, 06:06:04 AM
Just about ready for painting, only a few more details to add before the first color goes on.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9032.jpg)

Sall, when I installed the flaps I found that they can droop just a tiny bit from the neutral position and this gives a nice look. The next '21 I build will have them full down, I think.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 04, 2012, 06:41:15 AM
Splendid!!!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 04, 2012, 07:46:35 AM
Fast and crisp :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 04, 2012, 04:48:45 PM
Looking good. Hardly wait for paint!! :-tri :-clap
Yes, now is cool. Look like much more realistic then in neutral position! :-ok :-clap Very nice detail! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 04, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
The surface detail is quite wonderful. Lower surfaces are painted:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9035.jpg)

It'll most likely slow down a bit now--I'm heading back to work this afternoon :-wall after having the last week and two days off. :-tri
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 04, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
Must join to you soon ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 06, 2012, 01:52:12 PM
I have finally wake up and here is my progress. All parts are now under basic coat so later today I will paint all interior and when dry assembly etched as well plastic parts. Due to bad light equipment I am afraid that I will not be able to make any valuable images to share progress :( Sorry  :-red
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 06, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
No problem about light!! :-ok Nice progress. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 06, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 06, 2012, 07:53:22 PM
I borrow box with paints to friend so continue from tomorrow when he give it back. Wings are completed as well engine.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 07, 2012, 05:02:50 PM
Just few images but progress is much more, kit is assembled (fuselage, wings, stabilizers).
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 07, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
That looks familiar! :) I really like this kit very much.

I notice that the PE made specifically for the Eduard kit is much different than the set I used. On the one for the Academy kit the side consoles and instrument panel are all one piece and you simply bend them along the provided lines. I thought that might be awkward but it worked perfectly, even though I was using the pieces on the Eduard fuselage.

Small update on mine--when I added the intake lip (a separate ring that glues to the front of the fuselage) I managed to bash the radome and split the fuselage halves apart......... :-red :-roll No big worry, it was easily fixed, but it does confirm that every build has a problem somewhere along the way. Maybe my bad luck will be the only problem for all the members of this GB!

First top color applied, perhaps the masking can go on tomorrow.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9057.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 08, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
My kit is also in similar stage and just few minutes ago I decided to make it with closed canopy. And I have few small errorrs in same area but fix it fast.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 09, 2012, 11:25:46 AM
This is how it look like in this moment. Much work need to be done to clean up surface as well to fine feel some gaps. Hope that tomorrow this one will be ready for painting.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 09, 2012, 05:52:12 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 09, 2012, 06:20:18 PM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 09, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
Nice!! :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 09, 2012, 08:57:46 PM
Thanks friends ;) Mo' works tomorrow :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 10, 2012, 09:58:26 AM
Little progress :)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 10, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
 :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 10, 2012, 05:31:14 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 11, 2012, 11:33:15 AM
Last works and preparation for painting.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 11, 2012, 01:47:39 PM
Seat is great! :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 11, 2012, 02:45:11 PM
Thank you, this is basic seat from kit.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 11, 2012, 03:13:20 PM
In the paint shop ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 11, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 11, 2012, 05:45:10 PM
Looking good, No.1. Mine is in the masking stage, going s l o w l y . . . . .
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 11, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Thank you ;) I know you will soon complete your sample :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 11, 2012, 06:11:39 PM
I'm not sure about mine--the weather is supposed to become very COLD tonight and it may shut down my spray booth!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 12, 2012, 08:00:38 PM
I decided to try painting the second color regardless of the temperature in the garage, which was about -1C when I started. The paint actually went on quite nicely, better than I had thought it would. Drying, on the other hand, meant a trip into the house where it was warm between coats!

The multiple coats brings up an issue I have--the new formula for Testors MM paints isn't nearly as nice as the old. This new stuff requires multiple light coats rather than being able to spray on one coat as with the old formula. It still works, but isn't nearly as convenient as the original MM. Hand brushing is also much, much more difficult with the new. I reckon they changed the formula for environmental reasons.

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9096.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 12, 2012, 08:11:37 PM
This look so nice for now. What MM colors you are using, enamels?
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 12, 2012, 08:21:45 PM
Yes, enamels. The dark green is RLM 82 and the olive-drab is a special mix of FS 30118 with a bit of desert tan to make it a little lighter and browner. The blue is RLM 76 darkened just a tiny bit. I haven't tried the MM acrylics yet as our hobby store has much better selection of the enamels.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 12, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
Good work, Scott!!! :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 12, 2012, 08:56:47 PM
Yes, good job and as well it is enamels they work great at that temperature
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 12, 2012, 10:19:37 PM
Yes, camouflage is great! I like it much! :-clap :-clap
What paints you use for engine exhaust? :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 13, 2012, 07:37:10 AM
Thanks, y'all.

The exhaust is in three shades of Testors Metalizer. The front band is Magnesium, the next is Aluminum, and the little band that gets stained right at the opening is Exhaust.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Ernie on January 13, 2012, 01:26:36 PM
Looks really good Scott! When you add the decals they should add just enough color to make the aircraft come to life, I think it is going to look very good :-ok
Ernie
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 13, 2012, 02:07:11 PM
Thanks for info Scott! :-ok
I agree with Ernie! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 13, 2012, 06:24:46 PM
Clear gloss is now curing on mine and the stencilling can begin........ :-eek There are a LOT of them!!!!! This is another wonderful feature of the Eduard kit, the instruction sheet has two pages of stencil location info and the decal sheet is awesome. Lots of work, though!
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9098.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9099.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 13, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 13, 2012, 06:34:36 PM
So we will not see you few days :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 13, 2012, 06:51:57 PM
So we will not see you few days :))

That is the truth! :-eek

A number of years ago there was an IL-78 parked at an airport in Texas and we did a full walkaround. The number of stencils on this huge bird was ASTOUNDING! But, then again, the USAF had loads of stencils on the 1950s NMF airplanes that often get left off of decal sheets.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 14, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
My sample is completely camouflaged, now just few details around exhaust and next day will be gloss for decals.

 :-flo
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 14, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
Nice camo! :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 14, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
Thank you, I like Finland camouflage patterns and colors :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Ernie on January 14, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
I agree, camo looks good, and I too like the Finnish camo schemes :-ok
Ernie
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 14, 2012, 04:18:42 PM
I like that scheme too! My DDR camo is so boring by comparison. That is the fun of the '21--we have almost unlimited markings and colors to choose from.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 14, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
MiG-21 is great in this way as well it have many operators and many camouflage pattern used.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 14, 2012, 10:54:59 PM
@Scott
I also have heard somewhere that Il-76/78 have so much stencils! :-eek
@Srecko
Your camouflage is so cool. Both camouflages are very nice. I love some unusual markings! :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 14, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
Thank you :)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 15, 2012, 04:12:31 AM
Here you are my kit.. :-roll Condor MiG-21Bis 1/72. :-bat
Really bad kit. I will try to do it OOB, no resin,no etched parts no scratchbuild. Too bad to waste time on it. I will try to use some spare parts from my Zvezda MiG-21Bis 1/72 kit, and that will be all... ;) MAYBE i will do rivets on it,but just from reason called exercise, and increase of my skill. :-flo
I will start on it when i finished MiG-29,hope that will be soon. I guess that i can prepare this kit for painting in 2-3 days working on it, sooo... :-flo
One more thing, this one will be in  Yugoslav Air Force markings. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 15, 2012, 07:10:07 AM
Good to have you in this build, Sall. I have an even worse 1/72 MiG-21 kit but I don't know if I'll try to build it or not it's so bad.....

I'm about 1/2 done with stenciling the 1/48 model but had to quit as I'm getting a headache!  :-dal
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 15, 2012, 07:38:24 AM
From my experience I know that bad kits are best to be built!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 15, 2012, 07:53:41 AM
I will follow your build, Sall!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 15, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
Good to have you in this build, Sall. I have an even worse 1/72 MiG-21 kit but I don't know if I'll try to build it or not it's so bad.....
I'm about 1/2 done with stenciling the 1/48 model but had to quit as I'm getting a headache!  :-dal
Thanks mate! I'm also glad that i will be in this GB. ;) I will build this kit,just to build something. And it will be good for practice! I will do rivets on it,and maybe re-scribe it. Just to practice!! :-flo
Huuuuh, you have huuugeeee job with those stenciles! :-wall :))

Thank you guys!! :)) Hope to start soon! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 16, 2012, 03:53:31 AM
Finally the bottom of the airplane has all it's stencils and national markings. Still, most of those on the sheet needed to be placed when this picture was taken..... :-help
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9127.jpg)

I've gotten the left half of the upper fuselage done and got a start on the right side before my head started throbbing. Time to push away from this for some popcorn and a bit of a television break. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 16, 2012, 07:43:15 AM
:-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 16, 2012, 07:55:08 AM
I finished my popcorn and TV watching and my head started to feel normal again. Then I sat back down with the MiG and finished the decals. Next stop is the paint booth for final clearcoating.

I must say that there are a lot of decals on this kit but they work beautifully. Also, a tip of my hat to the folks at Eduard--there are extras of many stencils that came in handy when I damaged a few. Thank you for that extra little touch!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 16, 2012, 09:19:21 AM
Wow. Around 200 stenciles?
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 16, 2012, 05:10:50 PM
Wow. Around 200 stenciles?

You should get a prize for your estimate, Sall! :-cool I just counted 209 decals on my model, including pylons and drop tanks. I've just applied the final clear flat coat and it's on to final assembly.

Scott
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 16, 2012, 07:30:21 PM
Wow. Around 200 stencils?
You should get a prize for your estimate, Sall! :-cool I just counted 209 decals on my model, including pylons and drop tanks. I've just applied the final clear flat coat and it's on to final assembly.

Scott
:-joke :-tri Hahahahha... :))
Wooow! It is a loooot of stencils!!! :-eek You have thick nerve Scott, and everybody who build this Eduard MiG-21 series! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 16, 2012, 07:55:51 PM
Yes, it takes a bit of time, but isn't too bad if broken down into smaller tasks. It certainly looks nice and busy when they're all applied.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 16, 2012, 07:59:03 PM
You are right.. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Ernie on January 17, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
Wow! i gotta hand it to ya Scott :-salut 200+ stencils, you da Man! and you still seem sane :-ok :)
Ernie
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 17, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
Yep, still as sane as I was before I started decaling this!  :-blah :-smey :-dal
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 09:28:49 AM
Surface must be sanded with 6000 grit sanding paper to remove all of this dust there. Must consider some anti dust equipment in some close future...
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
I have the same problem,and don't know how to solve it? :-wall :-think
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 10:33:45 AM
I solve mine a hour ago, 6000 under water and surface is smooth now. All right- you will do the same when come here :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 10:36:24 AM
All right mate! :-ok
Ps. Now it's your turn to put stencils!!  :)) :)) :-tri
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 10:40:15 AM
Ha ha- I am lucky one as well it look like not much stencils on Finland's machines :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 10:46:12 AM
Definitely, you are lucky man! :)) :-flo :)) But you had "your time" on MiG-21SMT! :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 10:48:09 AM
And on MF too :( So... this is third major MiG-21 I have so maybe to make brake after this and make some other projects. Will see :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
Oooou yes, you also build MiG-21MF! ;) :-ok
Well,i support you. Now it is turn to build 3 MiG-29! :)) Joke! :-joke Hardly wait for some new and interesting projects for your side. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Jicehem on January 17, 2012, 10:58:22 AM
Hi mates,  :-salut :-salut

That will build a good squadron of MiG 21s.

As recollection, look at mine built in May, 1981... This is the revell kit in 1/48 scale :

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/10/07/63/16/mikoya10.jpg)

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/10/07/63/16/mikoya11.jpg)

(http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/10/07/63/16/mikoya12.jpg)

Jicehem  :-wave :-wave
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
I had this kit long time ago Revell :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
 :-clap :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
Two days before complete  :-think
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 05:21:43 PM
Is this camouflage(on plane) and that in background the same? :-eek I see the same numbers on plane,but camouflage is not same... :-think
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 05:26:58 PM
What do you mean camouflage is not the same?
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 05:29:24 PM
Right! ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 05:35:44 PM
Some time ago I considered option to make conversion from Eduard kit into this one... but I give up. Too many others kit to build, simply I will wait somebody to release this kit
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 05:43:02 PM
I don't understand you... I'm talking about colors and markings. As i can see, color profile in background of your kit is MG-129, your kit also have numbers MG-129(and letters :)) ),but colors are not the same...
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 05:59:59 PM
My colors are good, bottom are just result of flash from camera ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 06:09:39 PM
Yes, your colors are good, but man who draw this profil is crazy! Colors don't have any connections! ;)
Also see this...
(http://www.sci.fi/~fta/mg21b01.jpg)

and

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_7UyKHIA5K88/SRW1j3rPqfI/AAAAAAAAA0A/GowYRpdf3mM/s800/MG129%20Mig21Bis%20Utti.jpg)
 :-think :-think :-think
Anyway,good job. :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 17, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
The colors on the instruction sheet are just a bit lighter and "washed out" from the flash. My DDR instructions look lighter than the real color as well. Remember, the instruction profiles are guidlines for pattern, not so much for the color itself. Thankfully Eduard includes color codes for us!

I've gotten the HUD built up from the PE parts (intended for Academy kit) this morning but had to modify them some to fit the Eduard kit. The assembly looks very nice once I fitted it. If I didn't have other chores around here I might be able to finish this one nearly at the same time as No.1.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9131.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 17, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
Well.. You are right Scott. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 17, 2012, 08:20:03 PM
I like to do that in same time as you mate :-ok

Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 18, 2012, 07:20:29 AM
Well, how did I manage to edit your post, No.1? Sorry about that, I'll fix it now. :-red

Otherwise I break off parts when handling the airplane! :-wall It's rather different building these more modern birds--there are a lot more antennae sticking out than on a WWII machine!

Okay, now things are more or less back to normal.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 18, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
I like this busy cockpits in Eduard MiG-21. Eduard did great job for every version of MiG-21 they released. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 18, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
No problem at all about editing ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 19, 2012, 07:14:19 AM
Before work on Wednesday I managed to get the landing gear finished and most of the small bits installed. Then I fabricated a set of vanes for the pitot tube from .005 plastic sheet and glued them to the tube.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9135.jpg)

Sorry about the poor photo but I was in a hurry to leave for the hangar.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 19, 2012, 07:27:28 AM
Good! :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 19, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Good detail mate. I have download last night assembly leaflet and realize that Eduard does not give some details to Weekend Edition kits
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 19, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
Yes, without the PE there are some things to scratchbuild. If you use the instrument panel and side console decals there are a couple of small plastic pieces that must be scratchbuilt but they are very simple to fabricate.

 When I planned my project the Weekend Edition was on sale and the Eduard PE for the Academy kit was on sale later. I saved a bunch of money and the PE fit the Eduard kit very nicely. Also you're limited to one decal option with the Weekend Edition. I wanted to build a DDR airplane anyway, so it worked out great for me. When I build my next one I'll probably spend the extra money for the ProfiPACK version (especially if that F13 is ever produced :-love).

Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 19, 2012, 05:32:35 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: 0viking0 on January 19, 2012, 06:31:24 PM
This is where I am now

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5102/img2600n.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 19, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
 :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 19, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
Excellent mate! :-clap :-clap Glad to see you here! :-flo
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 19, 2012, 08:10:13 PM
Nice work 0viking0 :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 19, 2012, 08:16:14 PM
:-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 20, 2012, 07:39:58 AM
More photos tomorrow if time permits. This has been a relaxing build!
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9137.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 20, 2012, 07:52:26 AM
You are right- we complete builds in same moment, a little later I will put here my images. Your build is great and better then mine, build with more love and passion :)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 20, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
And my sample kit completed :))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 20, 2012, 10:02:04 AM
And whole project is completed:

http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2012/01/20/mig-21bis/
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Ernie on January 20, 2012, 01:59:10 PM
Looks excellent :-ok
Ernie
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 20, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
Nice review and finished airplane, No.1.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 20, 2012, 04:22:40 PM
Thank you friends :-ok
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on January 20, 2012, 06:19:52 PM
Splendid, both of you!!!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 20, 2012, 07:14:27 PM
Excellent builds mates!!!!! :-clap :-clap :-clap :-clap
Both planes are soooo cool!! :-love :-love Unusual markings, interesting camouflages, definitely you can't see this every day!
Once again,great,great job, both of you!!
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 20, 2012, 07:24:24 PM
More photos on a rainy winter day. This weather made me think of the ground and aircrews who had to keep these interceptors ready for immediate action no matter the conditions.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9149.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9150.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9146.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9144.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w117/2AF/IMG_9138.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on January 20, 2012, 07:24:55 PM
:))
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on January 20, 2012, 08:14:08 PM
Once again, excellent job Scott!!! :-clap :-clap
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on January 21, 2012, 07:18:44 AM
Thank you!

I should have mentioned that the real DDR MiG-21 687 is still with us and in nice condition at Deutsches Museum Flugwerft Schleissheim. She last served with JG-3 before reunification.

 I'm glad that some of the former East German machines were preserved, and a bit sad to know that so many were scrapped, but we can't save every warplane, I suppose. From the research I have done on 687 it looks like the airplane is just as it was when retired from service.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Ernie on January 21, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Excellent job Scott :-ok Looks awesome, and nice job on the research as well, it is nice to know a little about the real machine, and good to know it is still around.
Ernie
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: 0viking0 on May 06, 2012, 12:26:51 PM
I'm probably pretty late on this one. This model is really bad and I lost my enthusiasm.

Anyway, this is almost done. Decals are Balkan models because original from the kit are way out of scale. Numbers here are too big, but in Attack version is even bigger.

If u want decent 1/144 MiG-21, go for Eduard.

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9543/img2756g.jpg)

(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1438/img2759pb.jpg)

(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5479/img2755gd.jpg)

(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4674/img2753rh.jpg)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: No.1 on May 06, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
You did your best ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Sall on May 06, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
And it is most important! :-ok
Hope i will soon join you. ;)
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: Second Air Force on May 06, 2012, 04:26:52 PM
Yes, glad to see your completed machine! The '21 looks great in NMF.

And, don't ever be concerned about adding to one of our GB threads at a later time. I like to think they're open-ended so that we can always add projects or comments whenever we want to.
Title: Re: January Group Build - MiG-21
Post by: draken35 on May 06, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
Good work!