The identify the plane thread

[Wingman81]

I thought it might be useful to open such a thread if someone of our members has a photo in their collection and does not know which plane is on it.
I can say for myself it happens quite often for me 

Today i had this one in the mailbox. I have hoped it could be a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter but im not very sure about it. Also i think its after war. The observer and pilot have some headsets on and the observer has something like an early radio or transmission device if i see it right 

[No.1]

Maybe some Swedish construction?

[Wingman81]

Any idea? my guess was Avro504 type.

[Bruno]

I thought it might be useful to open such a thread if someone of our members has a photo in their collection and does not know which plane is on it.
I can say for myself it happens quite often for me 

Today i had this one in the mailbox. I have hoped it could be a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter but im not very sure about it. Also i think its after war. The observer and pilot have some headsets on and the observer has something like an early radio or transmission device if i see it right 

No problem kilian -sorry Wingman81 , this plane is without error a sopwith
1/2 strutter
I am searching for the second one-Probably a training bi-place sopwith
-to be confirmed-
Cordialement
Bruno

[Bruno]

The second one is an Avro 504 K

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/les_collections/phototheque/dig_image.cfm?Lang=f&id=11076

Bruno

[Wingman81]

Thanks Bruno!!  Thats a good start for the serial # project. Ill post the information i have in the project thread on aerodrome.

[Wingman81]

Can someone tell me if this is a Nieuport 10? The plans i found online didnt help me that much. 

[Bruno]

Hello kilian

This plane is not a Nieuport 10 but a Nieuport 12
You can recognize because of transparent covering on upper wing
The engine was a 110 hp clerget 9 Z-It was a two-seater observer plane with a Lewis machine gun fore the observer/gunner
Some times an other was mounted to the too of upper wing(dont think that is the case here,)-It is a French unit (roundels with sky blue in middle)
The nieuport 12bis  was same as N12 butwas fitted with a 130 hp clerget and  was recognizable because of its circular cowling

Cordialement
Bruno

[Wingman81]

Hi Bruno.

  Thats very interesting. I had asked Kees in your absence and he told me it is a Nie10 because of the rectengular hole where the observer could fire above the propeller circle from front seat. The pale edge you see below the motor is a cut damage in the original photo. For his defense i must say he had a much smaller version of the photo to see.  So you think from the motor and upper wing we can rule out a Nie10?

[Bruno]

Very sorry Kilian-I think that Kees , our master in theaerodrome...
is right.
The hole of the Nieuport 12 is larger and recovered with a transparent panel-and the wing struts are inclined
I was mistaken by the fact we cnnot seen the gun through the hole
Sorry kilian

Bruno

[Wingman81]

Ok no worries here mate, my problem was i couldnt find a good Nie12 picture where i could see the differences to the Nie10 or better i found some but mostly from the wrong angles 

Gruß
Kilian

[Bruno]

 Here is a good site for nieuport
Nieuport 12 and 10 could been seen in front face

http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/les_nieuports_de_la_guerre.pdf
A+
Bruno

[Wingman81]

Merci beaucoup 

[mfg495]

Well is the next bit of research for my site, trying to find out what these two aircraft are.
They, as you can see are very large enlargements from a reconnaissance print take in 1944 flown by the USAAF 7th Photo group, location is unknown, so that makes the task even harder. Well it gives me something to do in the evenings 

[No.1]

Look like the Mistel with Me262 on top.