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Let Let Let - Warplanes => Combat Warplanes => Topic started by: No.1 on September 30, 2007, 01:12:51 PM

Title: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on September 30, 2007, 01:12:51 PM: B-2 is the early US build and designed heavy bomber which enter in service in number.
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on September 30, 2007, 01:53:24 PM: Nice :)) Curtis B-2 Condor.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Curtiss_b2-1.jpg)

12 B-2 were delivered between 1929-1930.

Now we must find photos of B-2A (C-30) :)
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on September 30, 2007, 02:18:04 PM: Quote
Now we must find photos of B-2A

Can you get it :)
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on October 06, 2007, 06:30:07 PM: Curtiss C-30
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 06, 2007, 08:35:01 PM: Cargo version ;)
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Post by: Dr.Lift on October 07, 2007, 10:11:43 AM: Here is useful link!

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/curtiss/b-2.htm
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 07, 2007, 12:03:59 PM: Interesting web corner :-wave
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on October 07, 2007, 04:36:15 PM: Nice info thanks :-ok
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: mfg495 on October 15, 2007, 01:53:50 PM: Serials of the Curtiss B-2 Condor

Curtiss B-2 Condor

28-398/399
   28-398 DELIVERED 6/10/29, SURVEYED 10/3/34, MARCH FIELD
   28-399 DELIVERED 8/10/29, SURVEYED 8/15/34, MARCH FIELD
29-028/037
   29-028 DELIVERED 10/10/29, WRECKED 12/4/29 (TWO KILLED), LANGLEY FIELD
   29-029 DELIVERED 11/2/29, SURVEYED 10/3/34, MARCH FIELD
   29-030 DELIVERED 10/17/29, CONVERTED TO B-2A 10/6/31, SURVEYED 12/22/33, MARCH FIELD
   29-031 DELIVERED 11/28/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
   29-032 DELIVERED 12/9/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
   29-033 DELIVERED 12/14/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
   29-034 DELIVERED 12/22/29, SURVEYED 6/17/35, MARCH FIELD
   29-035 DELIVERED 12/26/29, SURVEYED 5/23/33, MARCH FIELD
   29-036 DELIVERED 1/4/30, SURVEYED 7/22/36, ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS
   29-037 DELIVERED 1/16/30, SURVEYED 9/29/34, ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 15, 2007, 02:30:14 PM: :-clap :-ok
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: safo_test on October 18, 2007, 08:40:03 PM: well...
the topic has its own logic and I wouldn't broke it, being very interesting !

But the title makes me guess the very first heavies :
Sikorsky Ilia Mouromets (length x wingspan : 18,8 m x 34,5 m) with a bomb load of 800 kg [1914]
H.P. 0/400 (length x wingspan : 19 m x 30 m) with 909 kg of bomb load [1916]
Zeppelin Staaken R-VI (length x wingspan : 22 m x 42 m) with 1800 kg of bomb load [1917]

"sometimes words have two meanings" (Led Zeppelin (!) "stairway to heaven" :-green
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 18, 2007, 09:04:05 PM: In this topic I think on first US but for sure that best procet was Ilja Muromec. For that time, that bomber was really heavy and it was complete covered cockpit and very nice crew compartment. Like civil airliners after the WW1. Impressive project of that time :-ok
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: mfg495 on October 19, 2007, 11:55:02 AM: A couple of images from the list Safo_test posted.

Sikorsky Ilia and the Zeppelin Staaken R-VI
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 19, 2007, 12:04:11 PM: What a giants :-eek
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: mfg495 on October 19, 2007, 01:48:28 PM: The Handley Page
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 19, 2007, 03:59:55 PM: Hey hey hey- now you shock me :-eek what is the camouflage patternunder the wings and on the wing top side? never seen this image before :-think Thank you for this nice add :-clap :-ok
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: safo_test on October 19, 2007, 09:52:42 PM: Thanks for the pictures and yes! what an interesting paint on this H.P. !

I must confess that I forget this one :

(http://www.airventure.de/tipps_dayton/USAF_Museum_Caproni_Ca_36_1.jpg)

Caproni Ca.3 (1916 but before the H.P.) [here its derivative Ca 36]
11 m (L) x 23 m (W)
800 kg of bomb load
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Leo on October 26, 2007, 03:35:29 AM: :-wise

The US did not produce many planes for use in WWI. One that they planned to build was the Caproni bomber to be pwered by the V 12 Liberty motors of 400 HP each. I don't know if any ever reached the front. We did build some DH 4's, again with the 400HP Liberty. Another Liberty development was a 300 HP V8 which would have equipped American built SE5's. In any event the v8 was a bust and the proposed producton never materialized. The Brits have always claimed that the DH4's equipped with the 375 HP Rolls Royce Eagle was superior to the US built machine.
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on October 27, 2007, 02:08:41 PM: Zeppelin-Staaken Cockpit? Look at the helmets. Remind me of french army helmet.
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on October 27, 2007, 02:17:04 PM: Must say that image is very interesting ;) This "hard" helmets are made from tan and leather. They give better protection during the crash landing. I hear that many of Yugoslav Kingdom pilots had artificial teeth. Reason was that they lost its own during emergency braking or crash landings.
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on February 03, 2008, 11:54:07 PM: Someone knows what this here is?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kellerm/205945609/in/set-72157594223177278/
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Letipapa on February 04, 2008, 12:06:28 AM: Could it be Handley Page civilian transport version? :-wave
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: mfg495 on February 04, 2008, 12:22:38 PM: Quote from: Letipapa on February 04, 2008, 12:06:28 AM
Could it be Handley Page civilian transport version? :-wave
Handley Page Hyderabad

The Hyderabad was designed to meet a specification issued in 1922 for a Vimy replacement. The aircraft itself was a bomber development of a Handley Page commercial airliner, the W8, and took to the air on its maiden flight in October 1923. Fifteen production aircraft were ordered and these entered service with No 99 Squadron in late 1925. A second order for Hyderabads was placed to equip No 10 Squadron and these began to arrive from January 1928 onwards. Retired from front-line service by March 1931, the aircraft did fly with two Special Reserve Squadrons (Nos 502 (Ulster) and 503 (County of Lincoln)) until 1933.

Length: 59ft 2in (18.03m) Span: 75ft 0in (22.86m) Height: 16ft 9in (5.11m) Max Speed: 109mph (175km/h) Engines: Two 500hp Napier Lion V Bombload: 1,100lb (499kg) Armament: Three .303in Lewis guns (one each in nose, mid-upper and -lower positions).

Source - RAF Website - http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/bc_aircraft2.html
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on February 04, 2008, 01:41:19 PM: Very interesting. I could see its Handley Page but not which :-ok
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Leo on February 04, 2008, 08:38:19 PM: :-wise
I don't have a picture, but wouldn't the Gotha, AEG, and similar planes be the first heavies to be used in any significant numbers?
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on February 04, 2008, 09:01:24 PM: You are right Leo but Srecko started this thread with some 1920s bomber so i didnt know where to put my picture :-think

For your pleasure:
Gotha G.I Bomber
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Leo on February 04, 2008, 09:07:09 PM: :-wise
I nderstand the AEG G4 and the Fredrichshafen G III were superior to the Gothas.
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on February 04, 2008, 09:24:34 PM: Quote from: Leo on February 04, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
:-wise
I nderstand the AEG G4 and the Fredrichshafen G III were superior to the Gothas.

I agree with you. I would have preferred to fly the AEGs, they have better design but i dont know that much about the early bombers:
>>AEG G4<< (http://skypioneers.kiev.ua/gallery/album/pictures/ww1/AEG-G4-1125-16_02.jpg)
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on February 04, 2008, 09:37:32 PM: Nice statement Leo ;) Wingman- excellent image :)
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: mfg495 on February 05, 2008, 05:03:19 PM: Have a look at this site: http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on February 05, 2008, 05:19:40 PM: Quote
Have a look at this site: http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/

If you see there some freaks named Sreiko or Killian better get away :-jump
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: mfg495 on February 05, 2008, 05:21:38 PM: Quote from: No.1 on February 05, 2008, 05:19:40 PM
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Have a look at this site: http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/

If you see there some freaks named Sreiko or Killian better get away :-jump

Oh my god and I have just joined it, :-wall :-wall ;)
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on February 05, 2008, 10:15:33 PM: Quote from: mfg495 on February 05, 2008, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: No.1 on February 05, 2008, 05:19:40 PM
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Have a look at this site: http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/

If you see there some freaks named Sreiko or Killian better get away :-jump

Oh my god and I have just joined it, :-wall :-wall ;)

I can be freak today, its last day of carnival :-joke ;)
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on April 10, 2008, 12:18:37 AM: I wonder if this is an AEG G.IV
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: No.1 on April 14, 2008, 12:36:33 PM: To be honest I have no idea. I will put some types here which are rare.
Title: Re: First of the heavies
Post by: Wingman81 on April 24, 2008, 07:44:45 PM: Should be it. I found a sideview in my Jane's book. I have always thought the propeller is on the nose in the middle but its obviously of the right gondola. Too bad we cant see the tail.